Dear Colleagues,
I regret I could not enter the discussion earlier. At this time, I see a couple of interesting issues emerging from a discussion that started with focused questions on politicians' work as designers or something like that.
When I went over all mails, I was amazed how quickly the discussion spun from the original focused question to the phenomenon of design.
The very nature of the original question spun the discussion in methodological turn to a fundamental category that is crucial for qualifying activities or phenomena as design. However, what impressed me even more, is that the design field still lacks a common interpretation and understanding of design and still lacks accepted definitions.
Our colleagues mentioned several complimentary approaches to understanding and defining design, but with a hint of exclusivity. All this indicates that the design research community needs to invest more in the methodological foundations and the conceptual groundwork of the field. There is a huge field for study and a lot of dissertations and books to be written.
Now on a different note, more closely related to the original question. I personally would have approach the phenomenon of design from several sides: with an activity theory approach (design as an activity); with a cultural-historical approach, searching for the origins of design activity and design; with a "substantive" approach, investigating design via its product; a functional approach, inscribing design in the social system; a sociology of professions approach; and so forth. I talked above about books and dissertations. I am not sure the phenomenon of design can be analyzed within the limits of a journal article. Such an article will sound as an executive summary.
Many of our discussions spill slowly in several directions because of the disciplinary biases that we carry. These biases are products of the disciplinary traditions that we follow and in which we are immersed. I personally am aware of most of my disciplinary biases, and prefer to talk and refer mostly for environmental design, in particular buildings and interiors. I am aware that the industrial design and graphic design realms are quite different.
In the build environment realm, we have an well-established profession like architecture. It is institutionalized. Are architects designers? Of course! But at a close look, we can see that the architectural profession is segmented into several different work/job positions. When the primary job of architects is to design, they are designer. As a junior architect, I had to sign my design drawings as a Designer. The Head Designer was inspecting and signing, then--the Team Leader (first level manager) was signing, then the Department Manager (clearly not on a design position); and after that--the inspecting architect or corporate controller (not a design position). All these people had architectural education and practical experience, but many of them were not designing on the job. Rather, they had management, supervisory, and inspection responsibilities.
It is a matter of developing further design theory in order to make a decision which of them are designers, and which are not. Besides, when my Department Manager was working at night at his private one-person operation, he was working as a designer. He was the boss and the designer. He had to draw.
A complimentary example. My Department Manager had to spend a lot of time on managerial issues. But at the same time his pleasure was to conceptualize each project of his subordinates. No one could decline his design imposition. So, although design was not specified as a major part of his job description, he was still designing. I mention this just to illustrate the complexity of the phenomena related to the design as a profession and activity.
Are politicians designers? I would humbly mention that we need a better design theory in order to handle this question. As a caveat, I will say that in a quick listserv discussion there is no time for getting in depth, no time to avoid some typos or small errors, or some inconsistencies. However, I find such discussions very useful because at the end of the day, they bring new perspectives and insights, new ideas, change of mind, and so forth. What I learned from this discussion up to now is that it is too much for me. I can't go deeper and I cannot bring an ultimate answer, at least at this time and probably in the near future.
Just a few ideas.
Thank you for attention,
Lubo
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 11:49 AM
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Subject: Re: Are politicians designers?
Dear Ken, hi Mauricio, hello all of you.
This is my first time here, and I am speaking from Brazil.
But even if I was an Englishman or from Australia, I would say that.
I do understand there is different ways to deal with any kind of project, if it is a product, if it is a service or even a public policy. Besides that, politicians are not a general category. Their actions have to do with their social and cultural context and historical background, I can say “at least”.
As John Thackara once put, design is all about priority and decision, and I can say this was a political statement. Because everything one designs has to deal with that kind of logic.
You can see that on Rittel's papers, on Buchanan's papers and so on.
If one treats design as a discipline, we have to differ this from the profession category.
So, Klaus, if you ask someone if he considers himself a designer, most probably the answer is no.
But if you try to develop an understanding on how things get to be done in real life, considering all aspects involved, certainly there will be a common ground of understanding.
As Ken said, Herbert Simon pointed out, long time ago, this kind of thing.
And from that time till now, many other reflectioners on our field have pointed the same thing.
In my country, for instance, and I believe that in many others, we have a very special circumstance.
We do not praise logic. I mean, the long tradition of Western thinking. We are more emotional, people really believe in a kind of magic thought, so if you desire something, it doesn't matter how, it is going to happen. No, it doesn't. It doesn't work like that.
So, if you, Mauricio, asks me if politicians are designers, I would say they can be. In an infinite number of levels, or layers. Public services have to be concrete, tangible, they have to be informed to different groups in society, and that demands a whole apparatus of defining procedures and things, of all kind.
That is the way I understand it. Public policies and governance can be, right now, object of design reflection. Liz Moor and Guy Julier have been pointing this out. There are people working in that direction in Germany.
That is why I understand we must try to be more aware of the *designing* issues rather than the fortification of a fellowship.
My best regards to you all!
João
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On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Ken Friedman <[log in to unmask]>
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> Hi, Klaus,
>
> You wrote,
>
> —snip—
>
> if you ask a politician whether he or she is a designer, the answer is
> a clear NO if you ask an engineer whether he or she is a designer, the
> answer is NO as well even if you ask an architect whether he or she is
> a designer, the answer is most likely NO
>
> i read that designers design products, politicians don't terry wrote
> that designers write specifications, politicians don't ken said once a
> politician is elected he becomes a designer, i wouldn't call a
> politician a designer unless he or she agrees to this designation,
> which i doubt any politician will.
>
> —snip—
>
> I’ve got to agree with you in one respect, yet I’ve also got to disagree.
>
> If all responsible designations must be self-designations, it would be
> difficult to discuss the world around us. I recall the well-known
> politician Richard Nixon announcing, “The president is not a crook.”
> Many of us would see key parts of the Nixon career in a different
> light, but the fact remains that he was neither impeached nor
> convicted. Of course, we don’t accept self-designation as the only measure of some cases.
>
> In a more reasonable light, I’d say that there are many people who do
> not self-designate as designers, yet who nevertheless design. That’s
> the core of Herbert Simon’s definition of the activity of design:
> “Everyone designs who devises courses of action aimed at changing
> existing situations into preferred ones.”
>
> There are several more issues. One is the question of those who
> self-designate as design professionals, people who are paid to
> undertake design as professional designers. Another is the question of
> people who do not self-designate as designers, yet are nevertheless
> paid as professional actors to “[devise] courses of action aimed at
> changing existing situations into preferred ones.”
>
> I agree with several points of view, including — but not limited to —
> my own. I have been interested for many reasons in comments by Mitch
> Sipus, Liz Goodman, and Ali Ilhan. Now you’ve raised an idea that I
> have not considered.
>
> Is it is possible to recognize and designate someone as a member of
> any profession when they do not declare themselves to be such? Does
> their own self-designation matter if they do what self-designating
> professionals do when someone pays them to do so?
>
> Simon’s definition includes almost all practicing professions and most
> professional practices. That virtue may also be a flaw.
>
> Yours,
>
> Ken
>
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