JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for RADSTATS Archives


RADSTATS Archives

RADSTATS Archives


RADSTATS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

RADSTATS Home

RADSTATS Home

RADSTATS  November 2016

RADSTATS November 2016

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password

Subject:

Re: Hospital beds

From:

John Veit-Wilson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

John Veit-Wilson <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:14:57 +0000

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (65 lines)

Thank you. I worked in various hospitals, chronic and acute conditions, in the 1950s, and then taught on the topic among others from the mid-1960s. My memory is not that this was a matter of deliberate planning to keep beds and staff unoccupied but that what was seen as a problem of unused but necessary resources changed from tolerating, perhaps rationalising, a lower average occupancy rate, to expecting a higher one. The reference to politicians was of course to political rhetoric which may have been the post-truth of those days, that not worrying about what had been a lower average bed occupancy rate over a period of time changed under the pressure of political rhetoric about wastefulness and better business management with parallels from the hospitality business 'which knows how to run such things'. Obviously a lot depends on how far the bed and staff capacity has been planned based on reliable data about predictable flows etc -- does that strategic planning capacity exist nowadays as it did? Did it work? Perhaps the search for explanations of national differences lies not only in definitions of the institutional setting of what is hospital bed provision but in planning versus competition? High occupancy rates can mean goal achievement in some situations [hotel management] which are failures in others [hospital crises]. Risk data may justify extra capacity not in constant use [think fire extinguishers, insurance]. What do we know about the fluctuations on the demand side other than during crises like you mention? 

John VW.

------------------------------------------------------------
From Professor John Veit-Wilson
Newcastle University GPS -- Sociology
Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 7RU, England.
Tel: 0044[0]191-208 7498
email [log in to unmask]
www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/j.veit-wilson/
-----Original Message-----
From: email list for Radical Statistics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Whittington
Sent: 16 November 2016 13:02
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Hospital beds

At 12:26 16/11/2016 +0000, John Veit-Wilson wrote:
>I understood occupancy rates used to be considered acceptable at lower 
>levels because the need for a vacant beds margin for merely fortuitous 
>fluctuation in medical demand quite apart from crisis was well 
>understood in hospital administration before the introduction of 
>managerialism . The pressure for 95 or 100% occupancy comes from the 
>political introduction into the NHS of an inappropriate business model 
>drawn from hotel occupancy which doesn t need to accommodate 
>fluctuations or crises, and the pressures of cuts.[/quote]

At least in my experience, the issue has nothing to do with policies or 'targets' regarding bed occupancy but, rather, to the realities of supply/demand.

I don't know when you think this 'inappropriate business model' arose, but when I did my first hospital job back in 1973, a very substantial proportion of my time (which, incidentally, was contracted as 120
hours/week!!) was spent literally fighting to find beds for patients requiring emergency admission.  I was 'running' a 30-bed orthopaedic ward and we very rarely had any empty beds at all.  We had a constant (and
uncontrollable) inflow of emergency admissions due to trauma, mainly from the local major roads, and I usually had to 'beg, borrow or steal' beds on other wards to accommodate them - even to the extent of putting adults with broken bones, head injuries etc. into children's wards or even psychiatric wards.

We had long waiting lists of patients waiting for elective surgery (mainly joint replacements etc.) but were lucky if we could admit more than two or three of those per week (even though we could have done far more operations than that).  Even then we often had to 'cheat' by keeping some other patient in hospital slightly longer than was necessary, until the moment the elective patient was available to 'jump into their bed', without the risk of an emergency admission getting into the bed first - or, equally unsatisfactorily, sending a patient home prematurely in order to create a bed for an elective admission!

Although I'm talking about one speciality, and one hospital, my subsequent experiences have been the same, as has been what I've heard from colleagues in other specialities and other hospitals.  I therefore think that one probably has to go back much further than that 43 years to a time when there were actually any 'margins' (deliberate contingency reserves of empty
beds) in most NHS hospitals.

Kind Regards,


John

----------------------------------------------------------------
Dr John Whittington,       Voice:    +44 (0) 1296 730225
Mediscience Services       Fax:      +44 (0) 1296 738893
Twyford Manor, Twyford,    E-mail:   [log in to unmask]
Buckingham  MK18 4EL, UK
----------------------------------------------------------------

******************************************************
Please note that if you press the 'Reply' button your message will go only to the sender of this message.
If you want to reply to the whole list, use your mailer's 'Reply-to-All' button to send your message automatically to [log in to unmask]
Disclaimer: The messages sent to this list are the views of the sender and cannot be assumed to be representative of the range of views held by subscribers to the Radical Statistics Group. To find out more about Radical Statistics and its aims and activities and read current and past issues of our newsletter you are invited to visit our web site www.radstats.org.uk.
*******************************************************

******************************************************
Please note that if you press the 'Reply' button your
message will go only to the sender of this message.
If you want to reply to the whole list, use your mailer's
'Reply-to-All' button to send your message automatically
to [log in to unmask]
Disclaimer: The messages sent to this list are the views of the sender and cannot be assumed to be representative of the range of views held by subscribers to the Radical Statistics Group. To find out more about Radical Statistics and its aims and activities and read current and past issues of our newsletter you are invited to visit our web site www.radstats.org.uk.
*******************************************************

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

May 2024
April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001
2000
1999
1998


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager