Dear Martin,
I learned a few lessons recently. One of these lessons is that anyone can be entitled to just state this: we will build a wall ! (triple meaning in Portuguese: Muralha, Muro and Parede) around something.
So, if it is rightful to say: You are an artist not a designer… like You are a Latino, not an American, so you are out of my wall.
You can then proceed to say: you are a cognitive scientist not a designer… or You are an engineer, not a designer… you are a business strategist and not a designer, you are an architect not a designer, you are a politician not a designer.
In conclusion, I agree with Don: let all people that are not designers have a bracelet on their right arm and be coherently considered in these discussions.
Concordantly, I must say this: Affordances, although a commonly used term in research about Design, is not a Design term. “Affordance” is a term that is often used by flawed designers and some design researchers, seldom real designers.
(I’m copying the kind of aggressiveness that some of our colleagues, surfacing on the pond of ignorance about Design, legitimated by the rise of the toupee party, use).
Unlike their first lady, I advocate that, when they go low, we should go straight to their throats !
Eduardo Corte-Real
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No dia 16/11/2016, às 06:26, Salisbury, Martin <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> escreveu:
Dear Don,
Thanks for the message and for educating me on terminology- I shall try harder to keep up.
Regarding the issue of closer collaboration between creative users and the designers of software, forgive me but I need to correct your correction. I did not say that it never happens, I simply expressed the view that "there is generally a huge disconnect". I would like to see closer understanding between artists and designers in this field, as I would on this list.
As for the observation, "you are an artist, not a designer", well I had rather hoped that in the field of art and design that it was possible to be both. I realise that in the academic world it is convenient to use boxes. I therefore accept that my punishment for not knowing about affordance is to be put in the box labelled 'artist' (it has always been the sorry lot of the illustrator to be neither one nor the other). On the subject of boxes, you might enjoy 'The Girl with the Parrot on her Head' by Daisy Hirst, a recent graduate of our MA course (Walker/ Candlewick, 2016). It's an award-winning picture book that deals with our psychological need to put things in boxes.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Girl-Parrot-Her-Head/dp/1406365521/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1479277215&sr=1-2&keywords=daisy+hirst
Very best wishes,
Martin
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Sorry, Martin, but I must correct two of your comments.
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:31 AM, Salisbury, Martin <
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I couldn't understand a lot of your message below because of the jargon
and stuff about 'affordance'.
Um, although I dislike jargon, every technical field has its own technical
vocabulary, and in each field, some terms are so basic, it is assumed that
every professional knows those terms.
Affordance is a well-established technical term in design. If you do not
understand the meaning of affordance, well, I am amazed: the term has been
around since the late 1980s, so long that it is overused in sometimes
inappropriate ways.
Then again, you are an artist, not a designer, so that makes a bit of
sense that you do not know it.
Affordance is not "jargon": it is a well-established technical term in
design (and mechanical engineering design).
I also disagree with your statement (agreeing with Terry):
'Designers and design researchers from Art and Design traditions seem
absent from designing the software and computer systems changing their
design practices.'
I responded to this comment earlier, pointing out to Terry (and I had
hoped, the people reading the thread) that the example I used of
Dreamcatcher from Autodesk was partially developed at MAYA Design. Mickey
McManus, co-founder of Maya and a designer was heavily involved in its
development at both Maya and Autodesk. Autodesk was heavily involved in the
design industry, with many designers and artists using its wonderful Pier 9
facilities, just a few blocks from its San Francisco corporate headquarters.
Don
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