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Judith Copthorne
Gary Barwin

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 12:11 PM, David Dowker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Here, for what it's worth, is a list I compiled a while ago.
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> Some Names for an Imaginary (and Probably Impossible) Anthology (beginning
> with bp and including those with birthdates from 1944-1966):
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> bpNichol
> Victor Coleman
> Steven Ross Smith
> Norma Cole
> Michael Boughn
> Sharon Thesen
> Colin Browne
> Steve McCaffery
> Lissa Wolsak
> Pete Smith
> M. NourbeSe Philip
> Brian Henderson
> Lary Timewell (Bremner)
> Meredith Quartermain
> Richard Truhlar
> Anne Carson
> Christopher Dewdney
> Phil Hall
> Dorothy Trujillo Lusk
> Susan Clark
> David Dowker
> Lise Downe
> Erin Moure
> Karen Mac Cormack
> Camille Martin
> Peter Culley
> Kevin Davies
> Jeff Derksen
> Sylvia Legris
> Steve Venright
> Lisa Robertson
> Christine Stewart
> Nancy Shaw
> Deanna Ferguson
> Margaret Christakos
> Dan Farrell
> Sina Queyras
> Louis Cabri
> Adeena Karasick
> Catriona Strang
> Darren Wershler
> Christian Bok
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> *  There are the usual grey areas re: national identification, but I
> attempted to err on the side of inclusivity  -- for example, Norma Cole was
> born in Canada but has lived in the U.S. for decades, and the opposite for
> Lissa Wolsak and Michael Boughn (also, Pete Smith from England and Camille
> Martin from the U.S.).
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> . . . and then there's the under-50 crowd.
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> David
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> On 2016-10-28, at 7:33 AM, Tony Frazer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> It was late, and I was tired and I didn’t actually say clearly what I meant.
> Not the first time.
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> To be clear: I’m not dismissing any of the other Canadian poets listed by
> several list-members. Of the names mentioned, I’ve read all of them bar 2, I
> think, and then one of those 2 (Karen Solie) turned up in my copy of the LRB
> this morning. Anne Carson arrived in the UK via her US publishers; David
> Wevill (whose Selected I published by the way) was a British poet for his
> first 4 volumes by virtue of residence here; his first Canadian volume
> (other than those published/distributed by Macmillan’s Canadian subsidiary)
> was in 1985. Margaret Atwood arrived likewise via her US publishers.
> Ondaatje I was thinking of as a novelist but, yes, I read a volume of his
> poems about 30 years ago. I should be taken to task for having forgotten
> Lisa Robertson who definitely arrived here without intermediation, but I
> plead long keyboard hours in mitigation and a horrendous bout of
> proofreading that was making me wish I’d shot myself earlier yesterday.
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> BUT, my larger point was that all those splendid Canadian poets listed —
> with very few exceptions — didn’t break through into wider UK recognition,
> from Canada. How many books by Canadian poets have been published over here?
> The contrast with the Australians (for instance) is marked. Shearsman has a
> lot of antipodean poets on the list and I’ve worked with Aussie and NZ
> publishers on co-edtiions. Canadians? Zip. And the rather protectionist aura
> surrounding Canadian publishing means I find it really hard to get books by
> Canadians into the Canadian distribution system. And, if those are handled
> by a US distributor, the Canadians won’t accept them as submissions for
> Canadian prizes. (I know, I know, prizes, schmizes, but nearly everyone
> wants a shot at several thousand bucks of prize-money, even when the chances
> are less than a snowball’s in Hell.) It’s got so I turn down otherwise
> acceptable Canadian manuscripts because I can’t see how to sell them to
> anyone.
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> So, I was grumpy at 1 a.m. this morning. Sorry, folks.
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> Tony
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> On 28 Oct 2016, at 01:58, Kent Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> George Bowering?
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> Can anyone provide a list of the Kootenay School?
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> Tony, this is a surprisingly dismissive post from someone like you!
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> Kent
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>>>> Jamie McKendrick <[log in to unmask]> 10/27/16 7:39 PM >>>
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> Tony, you're leaving out Anne Carson and the splendid Karen Solie. Margaret
> Atwood and Michael Ondaatje, though more famous for their prose, are still
> known over here as poets.
> Jamie
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> On 28 Oct 2016, at 00:44, Tony Frazer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Definitely not, Kent.
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> British OUGHT to mean English, Welsh and Scottish only; Northern Irish being
> added sometimes as in British-and-Irish, and sometimes lumped in with the
> Republic. Ex-colonies / dominions that happen to be in the Commonwealth and
> have the British monarch as Head of State are not included.
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> As for Canada, it’s one of the great mysteries. Almost no-one knows anything
> about Canadian poets, although a couple do slip through the net now and
> again, but only rarely if they’re still Canada-based. Bök and Mouré would be
> the only two of the latter variety that come to mind.
>
> BUT, there again, when poets from those lands move over here they seem to
> become British for classification purposes, or hyphenated British. I should
> add that I’ve no problem at all with that. Seems right to me.
>
> Tony
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> On 28 Oct 2016, at 00:37, Kent Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> This is probably a naïve question, but so what.
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> When one says British poetry, does that also include Canada and whatever
> remaining lands that are yet legally "linked" to Britain?
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> I am asking because the poetry of these places never seems to be discussed
> on this List, most noticeably the poetry of non-Caucasian lands still
> connected to Britain.
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> Kent
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> David Dowker: [log in to unmask]
> Machine Language --
> http://bookthug.ca/shop/books/machine-language-by-david-dowker/
> Virtualis: Topologies of the Unreal (with Christine Stewart) --
> http://bookthug.ca/shop/books/virtualis-topologies-of-the-unreal-by-david-dowker-christine-stewart/
> The Alterran Poetry Assemblage --
> http://epe.lac-bac.gc.ca/003/008/099/003008-disclaimer.html?orig=/100/202/300/alterran/index.html
> Time-Sensitive Material -- http://time-sensitivematerial.blogspot.com/
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