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jwcurry Judith Copthorne Gary Barwin On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 12:11 PM, David Dowker <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Here, for what it's worth, is a list I compiled a while ago. > > Some Names for an Imaginary (and Probably Impossible) Anthology (beginning > with bp and including those with birthdates from 1944-1966): > > bpNichol > Victor Coleman > Steven Ross Smith > Norma Cole > Michael Boughn > Sharon Thesen > Colin Browne > Steve McCaffery > Lissa Wolsak > Pete Smith > M. NourbeSe Philip > Brian Henderson > Lary Timewell (Bremner) > Meredith Quartermain > Richard Truhlar > Anne Carson > Christopher Dewdney > Phil Hall > Dorothy Trujillo Lusk > Susan Clark > David Dowker > Lise Downe > Erin Moure > Karen Mac Cormack > Camille Martin > Peter Culley > Kevin Davies > Jeff Derksen > Sylvia Legris > Steve Venright > Lisa Robertson > Christine Stewart > Nancy Shaw > Deanna Ferguson > Margaret Christakos > Dan Farrell > Sina Queyras > Louis Cabri > Adeena Karasick > Catriona Strang > Darren Wershler > Christian Bok > > * There are the usual grey areas re: national identification, but I > attempted to err on the side of inclusivity -- for example, Norma Cole was > born in Canada but has lived in the U.S. for decades, and the opposite for > Lissa Wolsak and Michael Boughn (also, Pete Smith from England and Camille > Martin from the U.S.). > > . . . and then there's the under-50 crowd. > > David > > On 2016-10-28, at 7:33 AM, Tony Frazer <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > It was late, and I was tired and I didn’t actually say clearly what I meant. > Not the first time. > > To be clear: I’m not dismissing any of the other Canadian poets listed by > several list-members. Of the names mentioned, I’ve read all of them bar 2, I > think, and then one of those 2 (Karen Solie) turned up in my copy of the LRB > this morning. Anne Carson arrived in the UK via her US publishers; David > Wevill (whose Selected I published by the way) was a British poet for his > first 4 volumes by virtue of residence here; his first Canadian volume > (other than those published/distributed by Macmillan’s Canadian subsidiary) > was in 1985. Margaret Atwood arrived likewise via her US publishers. > Ondaatje I was thinking of as a novelist but, yes, I read a volume of his > poems about 30 years ago. I should be taken to task for having forgotten > Lisa Robertson who definitely arrived here without intermediation, but I > plead long keyboard hours in mitigation and a horrendous bout of > proofreading that was making me wish I’d shot myself earlier yesterday. > > BUT, my larger point was that all those splendid Canadian poets listed — > with very few exceptions — didn’t break through into wider UK recognition, > from Canada. How many books by Canadian poets have been published over here? > The contrast with the Australians (for instance) is marked. Shearsman has a > lot of antipodean poets on the list and I’ve worked with Aussie and NZ > publishers on co-edtiions. Canadians? Zip. And the rather protectionist aura > surrounding Canadian publishing means I find it really hard to get books by > Canadians into the Canadian distribution system. And, if those are handled > by a US distributor, the Canadians won’t accept them as submissions for > Canadian prizes. (I know, I know, prizes, schmizes, but nearly everyone > wants a shot at several thousand bucks of prize-money, even when the chances > are less than a snowball’s in Hell.) It’s got so I turn down otherwise > acceptable Canadian manuscripts because I can’t see how to sell them to > anyone. > > So, I was grumpy at 1 a.m. this morning. Sorry, folks. > > Tony > > > > > On 28 Oct 2016, at 01:58, Kent Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > George Bowering? > > Can anyone provide a list of the Kootenay School? > > Tony, this is a surprisingly dismissive post from someone like you! > > Kent > >>>> Jamie McKendrick <[log in to unmask]> 10/27/16 7:39 PM >>> > > Tony, you're leaving out Anne Carson and the splendid Karen Solie. Margaret > Atwood and Michael Ondaatje, though more famous for their prose, are still > known over here as poets. > Jamie > > On 28 Oct 2016, at 00:44, Tony Frazer <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Definitely not, Kent. > > British OUGHT to mean English, Welsh and Scottish only; Northern Irish being > added sometimes as in British-and-Irish, and sometimes lumped in with the > Republic. Ex-colonies / dominions that happen to be in the Commonwealth and > have the British monarch as Head of State are not included. > > As for Canada, it’s one of the great mysteries. Almost no-one knows anything > about Canadian poets, although a couple do slip through the net now and > again, but only rarely if they’re still Canada-based. Bök and Mouré would be > the only two of the latter variety that come to mind. > > BUT, there again, when poets from those lands move over here they seem to > become British for classification purposes, or hyphenated British. I should > add that I’ve no problem at all with that. Seems right to me. > > Tony > > > > On 28 Oct 2016, at 00:37, Kent Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > This is probably a naïve question, but so what. > > When one says British poetry, does that also include Canada and whatever > remaining lands that are yet legally "linked" to Britain? > > I am asking because the poetry of these places never seems to be discussed > on this List, most noticeably the poetry of non-Caucasian lands still > connected to Britain. > > Kent > > > > > David Dowker: [log in to unmask] > Machine Language -- > http://bookthug.ca/shop/books/machine-language-by-david-dowker/ > Virtualis: Topologies of the Unreal (with Christine Stewart) -- > http://bookthug.ca/shop/books/virtualis-topologies-of-the-unreal-by-david-dowker-christine-stewart/ > The Alterran Poetry Assemblage -- > http://epe.lac-bac.gc.ca/003/008/099/003008-disclaimer.html?orig=/100/202/300/alterran/index.html > Time-Sensitive Material -- http://time-sensitivematerial.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >