Gunnar,
I'm disinterested in turning this into the Fil & Gunnar show, so let's just
agree to disagree.
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On 12 August 2016 at 10:42, Gunnar Swanson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Fil,
>
> I almost replied "Get a life." If this is the way you approached them, I
> understand their terse dismissal.
>
> They wanted people with certain professional perspectives to comment on
> some things. Maybe you would have been happier if it had been a different
> set of things. Clearly you would have been happier if it had been a
> different set of professional perspectives. They didn't set out to insult
> you; they didn't know you existed. But they have no reason to care whether
> you are happy. The world is full of people who don't care and shouldn't
> care what you or I think. Get over it.
>
> > The fact is that the Workshopped asks for people to choose the "best"
> > artifacts. Many of them (all of them in my opinion) require the
> application
> > of engineering as well as other domains of knowledge to be labelled
> "best"
> > in any meaningful way.
>
> Yup. "[I]n my opinion." Notice that they do not share your opinion.
> Meaningful to whom? Oh. Yeah. To you. Notice that they have no reason to
> care what's meaningful to you. If you want to talk to people who share your
> opinion, it would make sense to go somewhere else because they are not such
> people.
>
> > To exclude engineering from the list of sources of
> > input in which they are interested is just incorrect.
>
> The list of sources of input in which they are interested is,
> tautologically enough, a list of the sources that interest them. (Note
> "them.") They made such a list. Since they are the only source of
> information about what interests them, arbitrarily adding to the list is,
> to use a phrase "just incorrect."
>
> You want them to want something they don't want. You cannot make that
> change by insisting that they accept your values. Sorry. That just doesn't
> work.
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> Gunnar Swanson
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> > On Aug 12, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Filippo Salustri <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Gunnar,
> > Why are you moving the goalposts by changing the context entirely?
> > The fact is that the Workshopped asks for people to choose the "best"
> > artifacts. Many of them (all of them in my opinion) require the
> application
> > of engineering as well as other domains of knowledge to be labelled
> "best"
> > in any meaningful way. To exclude engineering from the list of sources of
> > input in which they are interested is just incorrect.
>
>
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