dear keith,
yes: we think we know more about how we think than we can tell.
however, much research on cognition suggests that what we think we think has more to do with how we articulate what we think. the concepts we think with are very much related to how we talk.
often we do not know what we think until we start telling (us or someone else) what we think.
you can observe this by watching the gestures people make while arguing. if you observe this carefully, you will notice that gestures are metaphorically related to what we are arguing and they almost always precede our verbal expressions.
this time difference suggests that the old enlightenment idea of the mind being in charge of what we do, that thinking preceded doing, is somewhat questionable.
there is much more involved in what we say we think.
also observe the obvious that designers (and others, e.g., mathematicians) often need to draw something to clarify what they think they think.
in other words thinking does not take place in mind but in interaction with our environment.
gregory bateson suggested that mind resides in the circular flow of differences in which (one or more) brains merely participate.
abduction, induction, and deduction do not exist outside language. they are abstractions from rational arguments, defined in logic.
50 years ago people were convinced that logic describes human intelligence. but by programming the rules of logic into machines, what we got are powerful computational devices that are far removed from how humans think they think.
just something to reflect on
klaus
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Subject: Re: Abduction, Induction, and Deduction
Dear Klaus,
I can agree with your account as a useful account.
It misses, for me, the opportunity to announce to ourselves, that we know considerably more about what we do in terms of thinking, before during and after languaged accounts of our thinking, and, the same goes for our knowledge of the ways that others go about thinking.
Using the artefacts of our languaged accounts as the basis for insights is very useful, but, it is not necessary that we then privilege such accounts, simply because the evidence for them is so readily available.
We are more subtle and insightful and we can delve, through poetry and poetic approaches, for example, into the otherness of cognition.
And, I see much clear evidence of such extended/multiple approaches in your own eloquent writings.
Cheers
keith
On 17/03/2016, 8:44 AM, "PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design on behalf of Klaus Krippendorff"
<[log in to unmask] on behalf of [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>ken,
>you said: " Klaus and some others dispute the value of theory altogether."
>i am not disputing theory altogether.
>in conjunction with the idea of design thinking, am merely pointing out
>that human thinking is a private affair, not accessible to direct
>observation. what one knows about someone's thinking is found in
>linguistic accounts about one's thought processes -- which are known to
>have little to do with what is actually going on in someone's brain.
>abduction, induction, and deduction are constructs of logic and
>manifest in descriptions of what someone says he or she went through
>coming to an conclusion, proposal, or justification.
>klaus
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