terry,
it is easy to hide substance behind words like "complexity" and "more difficult than wicked problems."
i think you owe everyone to define the class of design problems you are talking of in terms of the difficulties, dilemmas, paradoxes, computational complexities, etc. that designer would be facing.
klaus
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Hi Eduardo,
Thank you for your reply.
You asked ' Is the other side of wicked problems wicked at all?'
Wicked problems are a limited class of relatively difficult design problems. They are class of design problems defined and bounded by the characteristics given by Rittel.
Elsewhere, I've problematized the definitions of wicked problem given by Rittel and described a standard predictive design process for addressing and resolving them that combines deterministic prediction and collaborative design activities.
There are however other much more difficult classes of design problems than wicked problems.
For some of these more complex and difficult classes of design situation the methods of addressing wicked problems are insufficient.
At this point, some the characteristics of these 'beyond wicked problems' classes of design situation seem to preclude deterministic modelling. I've published some of the findings from my attempts to build new kinds of design theories and methods for these design situations that are more complex and difficult than wicked problems.
The classes of design problems that are more difficult than wicked problems, might or might not be 'wicked' as defined by Rittel. Regardless, they are difficult!
Best wishes,
Terry
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Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2016 1:38 AM
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Subject: Re: Assume fixed number of colours in design?
Dear Terry,
Is the other side of wicked problems wicked at all?
How can you do a “bit” of making mathematics of infinities? Are infinities what we call infinitesimal or infinites?
Behavior of structures… hum that sounds interesting. Behavior of structures of abstractions’ coinage… even more interesting. Are these structures made of coinages or abstractions? Do abstractions structure coinages or is it the other way around? Are there abstractions not coined? Can uncoined abstractions be related with design? If so why are you not interested in them?
No, I’m joking. The structures are constituted by nexus of abstraction coinage and relation with design (regardless of what happens on stuff and characteristics of designs).
Color seems like a very good start indeed. Apparently several people give you a quite informative view of a few structures by which an abstraction such as “a color” is coined and, and, related to design. The transition from continuous to discrete seems to be a structural behavior that, due to the audience, seems be relating abstractions with design.
And now we must come to the piece de resistance: predictive theory for … the other side of wicked problems.
what the hell is this? wicked problems seem quite sideless to me. What is their side, opposed to … another side? Is the answer in mathematics of infinites? Considering wicked problems finite (mathematically)?
Do I have to do this exercise:
1. Consider a wicked problem
2. regardless of its formulation, data, possible or impossible solutions consider it a finite number.
3. Use the wicked problem in equations suited for infinites as a finite entity.
4. serve with appropriate wine.
Best,
Eduardo
No dia 26/02/2016, às 16:25, Terence Love <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> escreveu:
Hi Eduardo,
Thank you for your advice and support.
My interest is a bit different from what you seem to imply in your advice for a better question!
Mostly it's about predictive design theory for wicked problems and the design situations on the other side of wicked problems, (a bit like making a mathematics of infinities).
Mostly the approaches I'm using focus on analysing the behaviour of the structures by which abstractions are coined and related in design, rather than on the things that are designed or the characteristics of the designs. There seem to be some signs of possibility of success and I published findings of some explorations a few years ago.
Currently, the challenge is how to link these kinds of design theories to the practical outputs of designers. Colour is a start.
I understand this way might be a bit unusual, but it seems to possibly offer some useful benefits down the track.
Warm regards,
Terry
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Dear Terry
You wrote:
"From the discussion it seems clear that representing colour as continuous or discrete phenomena is very much a secondary consideration. I get the feeling that most people seem happy providing colour can be specified fairly precisely in *some* way.”
Maybe next time you may ask a better question…
Like: Assuming light is constituted of discrete wave lengths that isolated look different but together look uniform and colorless, would anyone be interested in discussing why we call that light “white”?
best regards
Eduardo
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