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Re: Byzantine crocodile/alligator bone

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Henriette Kroll <[log in to unmask]>

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Henriette Kroll <[log in to unmask]>

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Dear Nimrod,

in the overview I wrote on published Byzantine faunal materials (which includes about 50 sites throughout the Empire) I am sure that I did not encounter one single crocodile bone! But I did not take into account Roman strata and sites (which of course sometimes mixes up). So that is really something special!

For the corocodile-free sites see: 

H.Kroll, Tiere im Byzantinischen Reich. Archäozoologische Forschungen im Überblick. Monographien des Römisch-Germanischen Zentralmuseums 87 (Mainz 2010). 

Or, shorter, but in English:

H. Kroll, Animals in the Byzantine Empire.An Overview of the Archaeozoological Evidence. Archeologia Medievale XXIX 2012, 93-121.

Best wishes for your research!
Henriette


Henriette Kroll
Hermann-Löns-Str. 56
65201 Wiesbaden

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> Am 10.11.2015 um 01:00 schrieb ZOOARCH automatic digest system <[log in to unmask]>:
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> There are 5 messages totaling 1016 lines in this issue.
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> Topics of the day:
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>  1. Byzantine crocodile/alligator bone (2)
>  2. standard sheep for LSI (3)
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date:    Mon, 9 Nov 2015 07:44:11 +0000
> From:    Nimrod Marom <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Byzantine crocodile/alligator bone
> 
> 
> Hi,
> i'm looking for parallels for a crocodile bone found in Byzantine Shivta (Negev, Israel). Will be glad to know of contemporary crocodile bones or relevant references. 
> Thanks,
> Nimrod
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date:    Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:02:19 +0000
> From:    Ulrich Schmölcke
>         <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: standard sheep for LSI
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> I am searching for measurements of a standard sheep for LSI-analysis. Which one do you would recommend me if the study is dealing with sheep from Central Europe?
> Thank you very much for help!
> 
> Ulrich
> 
> Dr. Ulrich Schmölcke
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Date:    Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:24:29 +0000
> From:    Umberto Albarella <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: standard sheep for LSI
> 
> Dear Ulrich,
> 
> 
> please see:
> 
> 
> Davis, S. 1996. Measurements of a group of adult female Shetland sheep
> skeletons from a single flock: a baseline for zooarchaeologists. *Journal
> of Archaeological Science* *23*, 593-612.
> 
> 
> 
> Davis, S. 2000. The effect of castration and age on the development of the
> Shetland sheep skeleton and a metric comparison between bones of males,
> females and castrates.* Journal of Archaeological Science* *27*, 373-390.
> 
> ​They are not from central Europe, but ​I think they can still be used. The
> great advantage is that they are based on a population of known sex and age
> rather than just a single individual.
> 
> Cheers,
> Umberto
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2015-11-09 10:02 GMT+00:00 Ulrich Schmölcke <
> [log in to unmask]>:
> 
>> Dear colleagues,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am searching for measurements of a standard sheep for LSI-analysis.
>> Which one do you would recommend me if the study is dealing with sheep from
>> Central Europe?
>> 
>> Thank you very much for help!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ulrich
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dr. Ulrich Schmölcke
>> 
>> Centre for Baltic and Scandinavian Archaeology (ZBSA)
>> 
>> Schloss Gottorf
>> 
>> D-24837 Schleswig
>> 
>> Germany
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.zbsa.eu/portal_memberdata/usch
>> 
>> http://zbsa.academia.edu/UlrichSchm%C3%B6lcke
>> 
>> http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ulrich_Schmoelcke
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [image: LOGO]
>> 
>> Stiftung Schleswig-Holsteinische Landesmuseen Schloss Gottorf
>> 24837 Schleswig | Telefon: 04621/813-0 | Fax: 04621/813-555
>> E-Mail: [log in to unmask] | www.schloss-gottorf.de
>> 
>> 
>> Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates:
>> Ministerpräsident Torsten Albig MdL
>> 
>> 
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>> Prof. Dr. Claus von Carnap-Bornheim (Leitender Direktor)
>> Guido Wendt (Kaufmännischer Geschäftsführer)
>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Umberto Albarella
> Department of Archaeology
> University of Sheffield
> Northgate House
> West Street
> Sheffield S1 4ET
> United Kingdom
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> 
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> Chomsky
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date:    Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:27:14 +0000
> From:    S Hamilton-Dyer <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Byzantine crocodile/alligator bone
> 
> Hi, I had a rib from a late 5th context at Portus (Rome) - not published 
> yet.  What element is yours?
> Sheila
> 
> SH-D ArchaeoZoology
> http://www.shd-archzoo.co.uk
> 
> On 09/11/2015 07:44, Nimrod Marom wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> i'm looking for parallels for a crocodile bone found in Byzantine 
>> Shivta (Negev, Israel). Will be glad to know of contemporary crocodile 
>> bones or relevant references.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Nimrod
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date:    Mon, 9 Nov 2015 07:34:02 -0500
> From:    Jesse Wolfhagen <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: standard sheep for LSI
> 
> I would add to that the Popkin, et al. (2012) sheep:
> 
> Popkin, P. R. W., Baker, P., Worley, F., Payne, S., & Hammon, A. (2012).
> The Sheep Project (1): determining skeletal growth, timing of epiphyseal
> fusion and morphometric variation in unimproved Shetland sheep of known
> age, sex, castration status and nutrition. Journal of Archaeological
> Science, 39(6), 1775-1792, doi:10.1016/j.jas.2012.01.018.
> 
> They have a total of 356 individuals, compared to Davis' (2000) 68
> individuals. Though it somewhat depends on what measurements you're
> interested in looking at in your archaeological assemblage.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 5:24 AM, Umberto Albarella <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Ulrich,
>> 
>> 
>> please see:
>> 
>> 
>> Davis, S. 1996. Measurements of a group of adult female Shetland sheep
>> skeletons from a single flock: a baseline for zooarchaeologists. *Journal
>> of Archaeological Science* *23*, 593-612.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Davis, S. 2000. The effect of castration and age on the development of the
>> Shetland sheep skeleton and a metric comparison between bones of males,
>> females and castrates.* Journal of Archaeological Science* *27*, 373-390.
>> 
>> ​They are not from central Europe, but ​I think they can still be used.
>> The great advantage is that they are based on a population of known sex and
>> age rather than just a single individual.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Umberto
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2015-11-09 10:02 GMT+00:00 Ulrich Schmölcke <
>> [log in to unmask]>:
>> 
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am searching for measurements of a standard sheep for LSI-analysis.
>>> Which one do you would recommend me if the study is dealing with sheep from
>>> Central Europe?
>>> 
>>> Thank you very much for help!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ulrich
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dr. Ulrich Schmölcke
>>> 
>>> Centre for Baltic and Scandinavian Archaeology (ZBSA)
>>> 
>>> Schloss Gottorf
>>> 
>>> D-24837 Schleswig
>>> 
>>> Germany
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.zbsa.eu/portal_memberdata/usch
>>> 
>>> http://zbsa.academia.edu/UlrichSchm%C3%B6lcke
>>> 
>>> http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ulrich_Schmoelcke
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [image: LOGO]
>>> 
>>> Stiftung Schleswig-Holsteinische Landesmuseen Schloss Gottorf
>>> 24837 Schleswig | Telefon: 04621/813-0 | Fax: 04621/813-555
>>> E-Mail: [log in to unmask] | www.schloss-gottorf.de
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates:
>>> Ministerpräsident Torsten Albig MdL
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Stiftungsvorstand:
>>> Prof. Dr. Claus von Carnap-Bornheim (Leitender Direktor)
>>> Guido Wendt (Kaufmännischer Geschäftsführer)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sitz der Stiftung: Schleswig
>>> USt-ID: DE197905585
>>> 
>>> 
>>> D I S C L A I M E R
>>> Die Informationen, die in dieser Kommunikation enthalten sind, sind
>>> ausschließlich und allein für den Empfänger bestimmt. Die Verwendung durch
>>> Dritte ist untersagt. Das Landesmuseum Schloss Gottorf ist nur für die von
>>> ihr eingegebenen Informationen verantwortlich, jedoch nicht für die
>>> einwandfreie Übertragung oder im Zusammenhang mit der Übertragung oder dem
>>> Empfang eingetretene Veränderungen oder Verzögerungen.
>>> Diese E-Mail enthält vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschützte
>>> Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail
>>> irrtümlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und
>>> vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte
>>> Weitergabe dieser Mail sind nicht gestattet. Wichtiger Hinweis:
>>> Rechtsverbindliche Erklärungen werden von uns nicht über dieses Medium
>>> abgegeben.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Umberto Albarella
>> Department of Archaeology
>> University of Sheffield
>> Northgate House
>> West Street
>> Sheffield S1 4ET
>> United Kingdom
>> Telephone: (+) 44 (0) 114 22 22 943
>> Fax: (+) 44 (0) 114  22 25 109
>> http://www.sheffield.ac.uk/archaeology/people/albarella
>> For MSc in Osteoarchaeology see:
>> 
>> http://www.shef.ac.uk/archaeology/postgraduate/masters/courses-available/osteoarchaeology
>> For Zooarchaeology short course see:
>> http://www.shef.ac.uk/archaeology/research/zooarchaeology-lab/short-course
>> 
>> 
>> "That's the standard technique of privatization: defund, make sure things
>> don't work, people get angry, you hand it over to private capital" Noam
>> Chomsky
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> End of ZOOARCH Digest - 8 Nov 2015 to 9 Nov 2015 (#2015-110)
> ************************************************************

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