Dear Keith
I could not understand what you wrote. Hope you will find time to
elaborate.
Dear Terence
I equate hunger with beauty.
How do you assess hunger?
You can feel it and respond. Beauty is more subtler than hunger. In order
to remove confusion we may have to find another word for beauty. It is the
core of our being.
It is as fundamental as cognition. All living beings are cognitive beings
and all living beings are structured in such a way for aptness.
I am sorry that I constantly raise the fragmentation and Alienation aspect
of modernity. One has to account for this. How did this happen etc.
I feel one has to explore how a fragmented mind see the world and how an
integrated mind see the world.
I feel here lies the key to understand the crisis in modernity.
Jinan
On Oct 8, 2015 6:44 AM, "Terence Love" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Jinan,
>
> Good to hear from you.
>
> Wondering how *you* assess beauty?
>
> Three check points for me that indicate the judgement of beauty is not
> simple:
>
> 1. My own sense of what is beautiful changes. An obvious example is in
> music, but it is also in aesthetic and in the beauty or not of different
> kinds of movement.
>
> 2. Many things that on one hand appear driven by beauty under closer
> inspection might be better explained as being driven by other motives and
> causes. For example, adjustments to people's places in a room or their
> posture can often be better explained by, e.g. power relations or mating
> behaviours.
>
> 3. I see beginners at yoga and martial arts classes start to deliberately
> move in a manner they perceive that other people will perceive as 'more
> beautiful'.
>
> Finally, 'beauty' like 'art' is a theory construct. It means whatever we
> define it to be. It doesn't actually exist as a real world phenomenon.
> Instead, there are patterns of behaviours and compositions to which we
> allocate the word 'beauty' as determined by how we define the underlying
> concept (another theoretical and not real construct) we use as the basis
> for defining the word 'beauty'.
>
> Seems to me like what is regarded as beautiful is shaped by many factors
> and is not intrinsic.
>
> Another way of putting it is 'Beauty is NOT a property of things and
> behaviours regarded as beautiful'. Instead, the *idea* that something is
> beautiful is something that happens only inside of us as individuals'
>
> This is no different from the realisation that color doesn't exist as a
> property of objects. There is no such thing as a red car or a blue sky or
> green grass. Neither cars, sky nor grass or anything else has colour.
> .Colour only exists (and is constructed) in the processes behind the
> lenses of our eyes. We can only attribute color to objects inside our
> heads. Objects in the world are not coloured. The idea of color is a theory
> construct that doesn't exist in the world
>
> Same occurs, I suggest, for beauty.
>
> Warm regards,
> Terry
>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jinan K B
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> Subject: [SPAM] Re: What Art Unveils
>
> Hello Jerry, Keith, Chuck and others
>
> I have a different take on this.
>
> I have been exploring the biological basis of beauty or the core principle
> from which 'art' manifests. I distinguish art and beauty in the following
> manner. Art is mental construct where as beauty is a biological fact just
> like hunger is the cause for making food.
> I had noticed among non literate artisans that they produce beautiful
> things as if it was very natural. Which looks like what ever they did,
> just turned out to be beautiful. This seemed like an ordering principle in
> our biology it self and not an after thought. As i was living with non
> literate people I noticed that this happens not only while doing 'craft'
> but also in every action they performed. From activities in kitchen-
> cutting, kneading, making etc- and various actions to the way body is
> held. The need to keep kitchen clean and ordered stems from this. There
> was no thought- how to make things beautiful as beauty is an integral
> aspect of action or beauty is part and parcel of the Being.
> Knowing and being are not fragmented. Being knows! This is the integral
> nature.
> What I mentioned is common to all cultures that are sense based (non
> literate) and also in children irrespective of where they are born.
> I have been trying to address this in the foundation programs in design
> and architectural education. Please see the blogs
> http://rethinkingfoundation.weebly.com/ and
> http://existentialknowledgefoundation.weebly.com/
>
> I am trying to initiate re thinking in the way basic design courses are
> being held. It seems to me that one has to attempt to integrate and also
> to awaken the inner beauty.
> The way i am looking at Composition is in the following manner. When a
> person is composed, beauty is in his centre of being. so beauty is that
> enables him to act in an APT manner. Aptness seems to me the word that
> needs to be used in this context. In the context of rural communities i had
> noticed the following. As they do not use furniture they sit on the floor.
> When someone comes to meet them the two of them re compose and settles in
> to the best position possible. And when third person joins them their body
> postures are re adjusted to accommodate the new need. This continues when
> more people meet. i would suggest that beauty is that enabled this to
> happen. This 'composition' or natural ordering principle is evident in all
> aspects of nature- how two leaves, three leaves etc is in the right place.
> When there are fixed furniture human beings adjust to the furniture.
> Ergonomics in strict sense is to fit the person to furniture where as
> natural ergonomics is the way body respond to find its apt position.
> I am keen to further explore NATURAL ERGONOMICS which i feel could point
> to the biological roots of beauty.
> Pre occupation with the manifested hides the root which is what makes all
> this happen. For a person who has not been fragmented by modernity what he
> does is in line with this natural beauty. In fact I am exploring the
> integral nature of the aesthetic cognitive structures.
> I am aware that i have not been able to articulate well. The reason is
> that English not my language and more than that there is lack of clarity in
> my own exploration. So hope what i mentioned are to be held lightly.
> I have a paper on my academy page. see link
> https://www.academia.edu/7467149/BIOLOGICAL_ROOTS_OF_BEAUTY
> Exploring the biological roots of art is like exploring the biological
> roots of bread.
> One can explore the biological roots of hunger but can one explore the
> biological root of bread. Like food art is what is produced to satisfy a
> biological need. What is this biological need? What is the unmanifested
> element in us that probably is the operational principle of life!
> Jinan
>
> On 07/10/2015, Jerry Diethelm <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Dear Keith, Ken, Chuck, Terry and artful lurkers,
> >
> > Thanks for your insightful observations and reflections on Alva Noe¹s
> > stimulating article:
> >
> > I thought Noe¹s conclusion that, ³Art is itself a research practice, a
> > way of investigating the world and ourselves,² seemed to contradict
> > his earlier ³art isn¹t a phenomenon to be explained.² And I wonder why
> > we continue to assume that what science is looking for and the way it
> > goes about that looking needs to be the same for art - that it can all
> > be gathered into one big happy ontology. Why the need to be so tidy?
> > Isn¹t there just something fundamentally different between such things
> > as traffic statistics and being hit by a car?
> >
> > Re: neuroscience¹s probing of human nature from the inside and art
> > from the behavioral outside. The inside view for me can be both
> > neuroscience and also the lyric voice of fiction and poetry.
> >
> > I liked his word unveil, the capacity of art to pull back at least
> > some of the curtain on the grand opera of being human (oh so human) to
> > reveal hidden aspects of our artifacts and culture. Paul Klee said
> > something similar in his notebooks, ³Art doesn¹t render the visible.
> > It makes visible.² But Noe goes much further when he says, ³Art, in
> > contrast, [to design] makes things strange.²
> >
> > I think he differentiates much too strictly between design and art
> > with, ³Design, the work of technology, stops, and art begins, when we
> > are unable to take the background of our familiar technologies and
> > activities for granted, and when we can no longer take for granted
> > what is, in fact, a precondition of the very natural-seeming
> > intelligibility of such things as doorknobs and pictures, words and
> > sounds.²
> >
> > Yes, Human beings....are designers by nature," but their art reaches
> > down into "The Design of Everyday Things." I continue to think of
> > designing and art as overlapping, open concepts with evolving cultural
> agendas.
> >
> > Re: the concept of a ³human nature.² If there is ³a human nature² to
> > discover, I think it will be found in the sealed box along with
> > Schrödinger's cat.
> >
> > Warm regards to all,
> >
> > Jerry
> >
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