I too would agree with previous comments. Had it not been for the excellent grounding that experience had provided before and during the degree I would have struggled because the OH content of the course was so small.
Pippa James
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> On 8 Oct 2015, at 13:50, "Milne Campbell (2GETHER NHS FOUNDATION TRUST)" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> While I am on the SCPHN part of the register and thoroughly enjoyed my course 8 years ago,
> I feel strongly that it did not have enough OH specific content (in fact only about 25%).
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> I have been very luck in my OH career in that I have been employed prior to the course and gained a wealth of experience and skills,
> But concur with the other Jisc readers that as a stand-alone course it fails to prepare students adequately for OH life.
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> Certainly I would welcome another option of demonstrating a higher level of proficiency and would support some of the ideas discussed e.g. a FOM / NEBOSH registered course, or a series of modular competency based courses that further build on acquired knowledge making a more rounded practitioner.
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> Once again I feel the NMC is not acting in the best public interest as they clearly don't understand the discipline and therefore not supporting us as registrants or the people we work with / for.
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> On 08/10/2015 13:30, "Carr Barnes" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I know a lot of us are very concerned that the SCPHN course is not OH specific enough and that it is increasing the risk of graduates with minimal OH experience working outside their scope of practice and without supervision. As the employer and employee is relying on them thus exposes them to real risk also (legal included). I would rather more focused skills based training and if I was in a position to recruit that would be what I was looking for as I feel the SCPHN title is meaningless
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> On 8 Oct 2015 12:46, "Jean Fisher" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> I am an assessor for SEQOHS and we verify only that an OH qualification is in place. We do not look any further.
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> for me this will largely depend on the requirements of employers and insurers. If without NMC SCPHN it reduces my employment opps and increases insurance then yes it becomes very important to me. NMC as a stand alone approval is always going to be important to me. This relates to the Code requirements and also stating this registration gives credibility an assurance to all
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> Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] SEQOHS & SCPHN - important feedback please.
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> Dear List
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> I am canvassing opinions regarding how important NMC SCPHN registration is to OHN practitioners and OH Services. Your feedback is important.
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> There are some universities that have developed excellent courses which are totally focused on OH practice but do not confer SCPHN registration. Three MSc courses which are/were exemplars of this include Birmingham, Nottingham and Surrey. For many years the Surrey Course was approved by the appropriate bodies for nursing education initially the ENB then NMC. A decision was then made not to gain such validation and the MSc was run with university validation but without NMC approval. This mean that it was not an NMC approved SCPHN course. These courses are/were:
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> * totally focused on occupational health
> * multi-disciplinary in nature: a range of professional groups accessed them including those practicing in medicine, nursing, health and safety and occupational hygiene.
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> The course content of SCPHN programmes are not all the same. The standards which must be met are very broad and are focused on public health but there is no requirement for specific OH content. It is possible to have a course which is totally focused on OH issues and likewise it is possible to validate a course which is very public health focused but much with less OH content delivered in the classroom.
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> Laying my cards on the table if I had shortlisted two applicants for say a band 6 OHN post both had comparable OH practice experience one of whom held SCPHN registration with minimal OH specific content and the other held a qualification which is totally OH focused, such as outlined in para 1 I would appoint the latter. There seems to be a common belief that it is a requirement of SEQOHS that there must be at least OHNs must be SCPHN. https://www.seqohs.org/DocumentStore/fom_seqohs.pdf
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> The SEQOHS standards are not that specific, it seems to be that having SCPHN is how service managers interpret those standards. Are any JISC subscribers SEQOHS accreditors?
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> SEQOHS standards require that:
> C 1.1 An OHS must ensure that clinical staff are registered with the relevant regulatory body on the appropriate part(s) of its register(s)
> - I would take that to be a nurse who is registered on part one of the NMC register as an adult or mental health nurse, not a nurse who is qualified in paediatrics
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> C2.1 An OHS must employ at least one occupational health professional who has a qualification in occupational medicine or nursing - this is elaborated on as follows.
> The names and qualifications of at least one nurse with a recognised qualification in Occupational Health Nursing from a UK University together with demonstrable experience. That qualification has to be recognised but the standards do not make it explicit that it has to confer SCPHN registration. This calls into question the "Differing fields of practice" circular from the NMC which endorses a SCPHN registrant, eg an SN or HV moving into a differing field of practice with a minimum of 10 weeks of OH experience which has to be signed off by a practice teacher discussed at some length earlier this year. See attached
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> Finally, as many of you will be aware there is current debate as to whether SCPHN is fit for purpose and the SCPHN register could be disestablished in the next few years. Would a degree focused on OH Nursing with NEBOSH accreditation and perhaps some form of FOM approval should that be possible, but without NMC SCPHN approval be attractive to practitioners, OH services generally and services with SEQOHS in particular?
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> Your feedback would be gratefully received
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