Dear Garry,
I apologize for an unfortunate and unjustified comment about an aspect of your research. The post was intended to be off-list and due to my technical error, it went on-line. It is a very embarrassing situation for me. The post was written at the spur of the moment when I was in a poor attitude due to some other engagements. I regret this development.
I want to assure the whole list that in fact, I hold you in high esteem and follow your work. You have a number of contributions to the field of design research. I appreciate your scholarship, practice, and educational engagements. I strongly believe that you are paving the way for a better reception of design research, reaching to practitioners and clients, and bridging research and practice. It is a really unfortunate incident that I ventured to write some words that I regretted in a few minutes. However, the Reply button was clicked the error was made.
I also want to assure you that there was no off-line talk about you before my mail. Also, Ken didn't approve my mail and expressed dissatisfaction. In fact, Ken has never talked with me negatively about you.
I want to be brief here so that I don't mess it more. I apologize to you again and now I apologize to the whole PhD-Design list for my inappropriate mail.
Best wishes,
Lubomir
-----Original Message-----
From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Garry VanPatter
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Great Post! RE: At the cross section
I accept your apology (below) Lubomir but I think a better place to post it would be to the list.
I wont take it personally and we have never met in person but between you and I there is nothing in your postings on this subject that would suggest you have the foggiest idea what is going on in this subject. Not only is nothing scholarly there but you really seem to have no clue where others are outside this list. Nothing personal.
You and Ken should really know better at this point that such back channel behavior only hurts not only the list but the perceptions of each of you as professionals not making great decisions. For the young generation readers on this list your behavior serves as a great example not of sound leadership but rather as snarky, not professional and not appropriate. There is nothing scholarly about it. Surely you are not that threatened by my one simple post to be acting out in such a manner.
I have long ago given up on Ken who has long had control issues on this list and often acts out inappropriately but really you should know better Lubomir. I think it would be more appropriate for you and Ken to apologize to the list and better still vow to shake the back channel addiction.
Whats great about the real physical world is that such undermining back channel behavior would not be tolerated. It would be hard to imagine working on any kind of team with such back channel under-cutting going on. It is certainly not leadership behavior. Its not anything that I would want to be around.
If the list wants to have other practice leaders make contributions the back channel manipulations need to stop. Have to tell you that it comes across as quite juvenile and thats a long way from scholarly. Such a community deserves better.
It really makes no sense to be discussing a need to build bridges with such silly stuff going on here.
Regarding the subject matter: We are happy with our materials and contributions made in good faith across more then a ten year period. If you have any I would certainly be happy to review any materials that you or Ken have created yourselves related to any aspect of this thread.
I wont hold my breath for your apology to the list.
Good luck Lubomir.
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Begin forwarded message:
> From: Lubomir Savov Popov <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Apologies
> Date: August 3, 2015 at 12:20:08 PM EDT
> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
>
> Dear Garry,
>
> The post I sent to Ken was intended to be off-list and private. I was in a routine and didn’t realize that the discussion list default is to Reply All. Sometimes this is a real killer. Off-list communication allows for some liberties and explorations that are inadmissible for total list posts. I really regret this situation.
>
> With apologies,
>
> Lubomir
On Aug 3, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Lubomir Savov Popov <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thank you Ken,
>
> This was a great post! GK is a salesman rather than a scholar. It is good to know that GK is selling Buchanan's ideas.
>
> On a different note, Levels 3 and 4 are actually social design. I am not sure physical designers can do that. The irony is that the sociologists shy away from their social responsibilities and allow social designers to make plans about changing the World. Everything is topsy-turvy.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lubomir
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and
> related research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Ken Friedman
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:32 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: At the cross section
>
> Dear All,
>
> Perhaps I missed something, but it seems to me that there is a long
> literature examining how to design organisations, societies, and
> cultures. As imperfect as this field has been, it dates back roughly
> 3,000 years to a set of memos that could be labeled the “Egyptian
> Civil Service Handbook” and to the Guan Zhi in China. This is not a
> new field, and it is not a new practice. We’ve been teaching this kind
> of design for many years. I used to be a professor of leadership and
> strategic design at the Norwegian Business School, where I taught
> organisation theory and design. If you don’t know the field, you can
> get a good overview by reading Richard Daft’s excellent,
> research-based textbook,
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Organization-Theory-Design-Richard-Daft/dp/03245
> 98890/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438539980&sr=1-5&keywords=Richar
> d+L+Daft
>
> The international edition is available through Amazon UK or other
> venues
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Organization-Theory-Design-International-Persp
> ective/dp/1408072378/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438539883&sr=1-3&
> keywords=Richard+L+Daft
>
> Daft is himself one of the major researchers in the field. This is not a book assembled from everyone else’s work — it is a significant summary by one of the real contributors. Daft provides a significant overview of the issues, along with a serious and useful set of principles for applied organisation design by people who work in practice.
>
> The pointy end of this field is imperfect in practice, perhaps, and it is burdened by many approaches, but the field exists.
>
> Don Norman and Scott Klemmer specifically address these issues in their LinkedIn article on “How Design Education Must Change”:
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140325102438-12181762-state-of-design
> -how-design-education-must-change?trk=mp-author-card
>
> Don, Pieter Jan Stappers, Ena Voute, Lou Yongqi and I also discuss these issues in the DesignX statement:
>
> http://www.jnd.org/dn.mss/designx_a_future_pa.html
>
> Within the specific boundaries of the design field, Dick Buchanan introduced the concept of four orders of design in 1992 — sometimes paraphrased as Design 1, 2, 3, and 4. There have been several excellent articles since then, by Buchanan himself and others. Dick has written an important new article for the first issue of She Ji — The Journal of Design, Economics, and Innovation. Titled “Worlds in the Making: Design, Management, and the Reform of Organisational Culture,” it is a major new addition to this topic. It will be available in open access when the journal launches in September.
>
> http://www.journals.elsevier.com/she-ji-the-journal-of-design-economic
> s-and-innovation/
>
> Sabine Junginger and Jurgen Faust have an important new book coming out from Bloomsbury. In the UK, you’ll see it at:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Designing-Business-Management-Jurgen-Faust/dp/
> 0857855530/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438538793&sr=1-5&keywords=J
> urgen+Faust
>
> In the US, it is available from:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Designing-Business-Management-Sabine-Junginger/d
> p/0857856243/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438540712&sr=1-1&keywords
> =Sabine+Junginger
>
> What with Amenemopet starting in 1,000 BCE for the Egyptian civil service and Guan Zhong getting to work in 700 BCE, we’ve been working on how to design organisations, societies, and cultures for a while — in theory and practice both.
>
> I’m just saying, is all.
>
> Ken
>
> p.s. My earlier notes addressed Snow’s concept of the two cultures
> when Lubomir and Birger raised the concept. Snow’s concept dividing
> the world among “two cultures” is dated. There are more than two
> cultures. The reading list I provided is far broader. Nevertheless,
> the issue of divided and bickering disciplines deserves consideration,
> and many of Snow’s comments remain valid in this respect. As one
> colleague recently noted, Snow's concept lingers, though it is less
> potent than before. A new and more sophisticated concept leaves Snow's
> dualism behind. The hard divisions remain, but there is an increasing
> ability to see them more clearly — and usefully — as complementary
> points of view
>
> Ken Friedman, PhD, DSc (hc), FDRS | Editor-in-Chief | 设计 She Ji. The
> Journal of Design, Economics, and Innovation | Published by Elsevier
> in Cooperation with Tongji University | URL:
> http://www.journals.elsevier.com/she-ji-the-journal-of-design-economic
> s-and-innovation/
>
> Chair Professor of Design Innovation Studies | College of Design and
> Innovation | Tongji University | Shanghai, China ||| University
> Distinguished Professor | Centre for Design Innovation | Swinburne
> University of Technology | Melbourne, Australia
>
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