Hi Birger,
I used "cannot stand each other" on purpose, it is a hyperbola. Actually, most often it is "disagreement."
It is true that design is a third culture. More about that when we start discussing research utilization. Then the divide is seen pretty well. So at this time we have three cultures:), counting organization of human activity and performing human activity as social design and engineering (including management, administration, the professions, etc.)
I see the problem a bit differently. It is not about bringing many different perspectives. It is about understanding these perspectives and transferring conceptual content from one perspective to the other, to the next one, and back. Right now, I don't know anyone who has done this successfully. The most realistic option is teamwork where all members bring different perspectives and in the process of mutual work everyone learns the other perspectives and becomes able to work back and forth with these concepts. Well, a one-person orchestra is even better, but with the current exponential growth of knowledge, this is almost impossible.
Best,
Lubomir
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Hmmm, I guess that my point is that design stands partly besides and slightly in the middle of the Two Cultures Conflict and cannot afford to play out the conflict without committing suicide. There is a slight difference between disagreeing and “cannot stand each other” :) Not playing out the conflict means to reject the hatred we experience when encountering one or the other lair. Ironically I experienced much interest for art and culture with my connections in the Physicist lair while the humanists I experienced where behaving like mad dogs. Don’t know if this is just my good luck or just local Norway.
In design we cannot afford this conflict because we are bridging those different cultures. Therefore we should cultivate our pluralism along with discussing and quarreling about our differences maintaining a common ground of respect.
When Terry (almost) left, the diversity on the list was reduced.
I would like to have more other (softer) designs represented on this list as well. Nurturing pluralism includes enjoying honest disagreements, something that would make the list more welcoming. I think many alternative voices are scared away.
So let’s celebrate the wonderful cross section!
Birger Sevaldson (PhD)
Professor at Institute of Design
Oslo School of Architecture and Design
Norway
Phone (0047) 9118 9544
www.birger-sevaldson.no
www.systemsorienteddesign.net
www.ocean-designresearch.net
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Hi Birger,
I agree with you in principle. At the highest level of abstraction and analysis, all human activities "are dedicated to asking the big questions placed before us: "What is true? Why does it matter? How can we move society forward?" But then, we need to develop the details .... and we start seeing things differently.
What about The Two Cultures phenomenon (C.P. Snow)? Physicists and Cuturologists cannot stand each other. Furthermore, even scholars working within different paradigms cannot stand each other.
Best wishes,
Lubomir
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Hello friends
In the wake of the discussions on the knowledge base of design i wanted to share this quote from John Maeda with you.
Maeda is both a scientist and artist. Are not designers possitioned right in the wonderful cross section between both?
John Maeda:
Art and science. To those who practice neither, they seem like polar opposites, one data-driven, the other driven by emotion. One dominated by technical introverts, the other by expressive eccentrics. For those of us involved in either field today (and many of us have a hand in both), we know that the similarities between how artists and scientists work far outweigh their stereotypical differences. Both are dedicated to asking the big questions placed before us: "What is true? Why does it matter? How can we move society forward?" Both search deeply, and often wanderingly, for these answers. We know that the scientist's laboratory and the artist's studio are two of the last places reserved for open-ended inquiry, for failure to be a welcome part of the process, for learning to occur by a continuous feedback loop between thinking and doing. (Maeda, 2013)
Maeda, J. (2013). Artists and Scientists: More Alike Than Different. Scientific American. Retrieved February 17, 2015, from http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2013/07/11/artists-and-scientists-more-alike-than-different/
Birger Sevaldson (PhD)
Professor at Institute of Design
Oslo School of Architecture and Design
Norway
Phone (0047) 9118 9544
www.birger-sevaldson.no
www.systemsorienteddesign.net
www.ocean-designresearch.net
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