Agree that consultant's should not be single-handed Jonathan.
What is a clinician? According to Lord Darzi's report - A High Quality Workforce (2008) it is:
"For the purposes of our strategy, the terms 'clinicians', 'clinical professions' and 'clinical professionals' cover all those groups of staff
who provide clinical care for patients and the public. Whilst it sets out specific changes for doctors, dentists, nurses, midwives,
healthcare scientists, pharmacists and allied health professionals, and to some extent, clinical support workers, the strategic
principles apply to all clinical staff, including paramedics"
Hm - so it is not just graduates with a medical degree. Of course we tend to forget that the RCPath is a medical royal college to which many consultant medics and scientists belong. I for one hope that I am every bit as sensitive to the needs of my medical and indeed other healthcare professionals colleagues who are actively treating patients as any medically qualified pathologist. Even more importantly I believe that I am equally sensitive to patient's needs, in fact sometimes I even meet them!
We can all bring in income, some of us irrespective of our background in excess of our salaries.
To my mind we complement each other and the first step should be to define the role that is required, rather than enter a medic vs scientist debate.
Best wishes
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From: Clinical biochemistry discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Kay
Sent: 28 July 2015 11:00
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Subject: Re: Medical cf Non-Medical Clinical Biochemistry
I don't think that anyone at this level should be working single-handed. Once that's out of the way it's not too hard to have some of each. Rôles can then be reallocated across jobs as needed. This aspect of aggregation didn't get the attention it needed post-Carter.
How does having some of your staff spending some of their time in front-line clinical practice affect the delivery of Laboratory Medicine? That's a different question from how it affects that clinical practice. It's often assumed that being a clinician makes you more sensitive to needs of other clinicians but i've also seen laboratories (in other places and disciplines, of course) that are focussed on their consultants' interests to the detriment of other clinical areas.
Jonathan
PS: There should be lots of documents on the general issue from the 1980s when the current settlement was reached. Probably worth asking Mike Hallworth.
On 28 Jul 2015, at 10:37, Colley, Michael <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear All
>
> I've been asked to put together a document on the relative benefits of employing a Consultant Chemical Pathologist (Medically Trained) and a Consultant Biochemist (non-Medical).
>
> Has anyone out there any experience of producing such a document? Any examples?
>
> What clinics or other clinical services do medics / non-medics carry out in other institutions?
>
> Any help much appreciated.
>
> Michael
>
> P.S. This is not a turkey signing up for Christmas. M.
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