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Might this influence how we read some of those miracle stories about people being rescued from hanging? It crops up as a topos - eg in the vita of Zita of Lucca and in the miracles of 'St' Henry VI of England.
Maddy
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My impression was always that clergy accompanied the condemned to provide last rites and that the clergy were also present at the auto-de-fe. Based on what you say about clergy being forbidden to attend these kind of events, are the impressions incorrect?
On June 21, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Ms B M Cook <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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OK, so when where and how would a (penitent) felon get the last rites ?
( I ask because in the 18th C it was the primary duty of the Ordinary
(Chaplain) of Newgate to accompany the condemned to Tyburn and exhort them
to repentance. I suspect this was connected with the Protestant doctrine
that the person's state of soul at the moment of death determined their
Future State. No catholic lee-way of purgatory here!)
Brenda M C
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From: Herwig Weigl
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:44 PM
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> Very interesting -- this is the kind of thing I'm looking for.
> I have a cleric in early C14 England who does not follow a condemned man
> to the gallows because of his clerical status. It seems to me almost
> self-evident that this is related to the papal policy on bloodshed, but
> I'm always reluctant just to state an assumption.
You are certainly right. The registers of the papal Penitentiary,
preserved only from the 15th century onwards, hold many examples of
clerics who were not as cautious as your man, and had to petition for
absolution and dispensation.
For England, cf. Peter D. Clarke, Patrick N. R. Zutshi, eds.,
Supplications from England and Wales in the Registers of the Apostolic
Penitentiary, 1410-1503, vols. 1-3 (Canterbury and York Society
103-105, Woodbridge 2013-2015); for Germany, Ludwig Schmugge et al.,
eds., Repertorium Poenitentiariae Germanicum, vols- 1-9 (Tuebingen 1996
- Berlin 2014), for 1431-1513 (full list:
http://dhi-roma.it/rep_poen_germ.html?&L=11&no_cache=1&sword_list[0]=poenitentiariae)
Best again, Herwig
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