Hi Mike,
Linux desktop tools like tracker and recoll provide good fast, indexed searching of folders, and include image metadata terms. I use these at home to search and find images.
I think Windows search tools like Copernic probably do the same, but don't have any experience of these. XMP Ifilter will add apparently XMP metadata to Microsoft Search tools, including desktop search, but don't know how Exif/IPTC might be handled.
Cheers
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike Ellis
Sent: 11 June 2015 09:09
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [MCG] IPTC / EXIF
Thanks Tony, useful.
Wonders: is there a tool for searching a whole folder / network / etc for embedded data?
tt
Mike
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Tony Harris wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> EXIF data is camera/date/time data, so yes not descriptive. I can't
> recall if this can include GPS data, but I think it does.
>
> But to just reiterate again why I'm using IPTC, it is primarily for my
> institution, end of really. It enables staff to catalogue and search
> and use the images. We all know that we cannot control what happens
> outside of the institution, so we are just doing the best we can.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> *Please note my new telephone number - 020 7211 2426*
>
>
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>
> On 9 June 2015 at 11:10, Mike Ellis<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, even I with my terrible geek cred was able to extract, read,
>> write EXIF data. So it can't be that hard... Flickr: my understanding
>> is (tell me if I'm wrong) that this tends to be camera metadata, not descriptive?
>>
>> But - in a scenario where writing this data would cause a
>> considerable bump in workflow, is there enough real-world usage to
>> justify the time and expense doing it? That's really the practical question, I think.
>>
>> Back to watermarks, I say :-) (I don't)
>>
>> tt
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________________________
>>
>>
>> *Mike Ellis *
>>
>> Thirty8 Digital: a small but perfectly formed digital agency:
>> http://thirty8.co.uk<http://thirty8.co.uk/>
>>
>> * My book: http://heritageweb.co.uk<http://heritageweb.co.uk/> *
>>
>>
>>
>> Mia wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure most geeks can figure out how to access EXIF data pretty
>>> quickly... And isn't it used extensively on Flickr?
>>>
>>> To ask a different question, can a museum worth its name justify
>>> creating
>>> *more* orphan works?
>>>
>>> Cheers, Mia
>>>
>>> Sent from my handheld computing device
>>>
>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 10:55, Mike Ellis<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> Some more really interesting stuff, thanks everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Even given the wave of positivenesses from the list, I'm still
>>>> dubious from any kind of practical perspective (Google doesn't use
>>>> it, social - the only way stuff gets shared in any quantities,
>>>> really - strips it out, and not one of the people I've asked
>>>> outside our [very specialist] sector know what IPTC or EXIF data is or how to access it).
>>>>
>>>> BUT the resounding response from the list is clearly "yes, use it"
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> I totally accept that this might be useful for professional
>>>> researchers, and from a geek point of view I'm impressed by the
>>>> possibilities. I also really like that these images can potentially
>>>> carry all their data with them, meaning the orphaning of images
>>>> from their metadata could potentially become a non-issue.
>>>>
>>>> But - I'm looking at a scenario in which there is already a
>>>> relatively complex workflow, and the overhead of adding this stuff
>>>> is potentially considerable, so I have to ask whether the greater
>>>> good is being served by doing it. The impression I'm getting is - no, not really.
>>>>
>>>> So I think what I'm taking away from this from a practical point of
>>>> view is really this: if it can be done without making your workflow
>>>> much more cumbersome, you might as well do it. So that's useful, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> <sorry>There's also a terrible irony - sorry to bang the drum again
>>>> - that we're all dead keen on IPTC and EXIF but are surfacing
>>>> (object) images on pages which often have really, really terrible
>>>> SEO.</sorry>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway. Thanks all!
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _____________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Mike Ellis *
>>>>
>>>> Thirty8 Digital: a small but perfectly formed digital agency:
>>>> http://thirty8.co.uk<http://thirty8.co.uk/>
>>>>
>>>> * My book: http://heritageweb.co.uk<http://heritageweb.co.uk/> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Angela Murphy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Best article on this is
>>>>> http://www.controlledvocabulary.com/blog/embedded-metadata-wont-he
>>>>> lp-seo.html Not updated recently but the text makes clear how it
>>>>> could help - and the many cases for embedded metadata not least
>>>>> the prospect for it to be used increasingly in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Angela
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 12:00, James Morley<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>> I've asked this question on the list before and the answer was a
>>>>>> resounding 'no' but I'll ask again as it seems pertinent, and
>>>>>> things move rapidly ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do any search engines, major or specialised, extract and use
>>>>>> image metadata in indexing and rankings? It strikes me that there
>>>>>> could be huge benefits to doing this in terms of search accuracy,
>>>>>> certainly for object based collections. Also, if they did it
>>>>>> would encourage people to add metadata and also it would
>>>>>> encourage sites not to strip it out. Until the spammers got stuck
>>>>>> in of course, so perhaps another argument for them to pursue
>>>>>> image analysis/recognition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers, James
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> James Morley
>>>>>> Work: labs.europeana.eu / [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Personal: www.jamesmorley.net / @jamesinealing
>>>>>> Also: www.whatsthatpicture.com / @PhotosOfThePast
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 June 2015 at 23:42, Reser, Gregory<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Jeffery's Exif Viewer is very good. On Firefox you can add the
>>>>>>> plugin to your button bar for one-click viewing.
>>>>>>> http://regex.info/exif.cgi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Embedded MetaData Explorer has a nice UI http://embedmydata.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg Reser
>>>>>>> UC San Diego Library
>>>>>>> 9500 Gilman Drive, 0175K
>>>>>>> La Jolla, CA 92093-0175
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phone: 858.246.0998
>>>>>>> Skype: gregreser
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Ben
>>>>>>> Rubinstein
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IPTC / EXIF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The National Portrait Gallery embed half a dozen IPTC fields concerned
>>>>>>> with title, caption, 'instructions', copyright etc into all the
>>>>>>> images for
>>>>>>> their online collection (but not images published through the CMS),
>>>>>>> on top
>>>>>>> of whatever data comes from the image production chain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We implemented this six+ years ago, and I don't know whether there's
>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>> been evidence about how useful it is. But (once there's an automated
>>>>>>> pipeline
>>>>>>> anyway) I don't think it adds much effort to the process, and I think
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> comes into the category of why wouldn't you do this? (Obviously, I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> speak for the NPG.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (On a related topic - there's an excellent extension for Firefox,
>>>>>>> "FxIF",
>>>>>>> which (in spite of the name) puts the IPTC data of any image a
>>>>>>> right-click
>>>>>>> away. On Chrome I've only been able to find extensions which read
>>>>>>> the EXIF
>>>>>>> data, nothing that reports IPTC data - does anyone have a
>>>>>>> recommendation?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 04/06/2015 10:33, Mike Ellis wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone bother embedding museumy IPTC / EXIF data into
>>>>>>>> (collections) images as part of their digitisation workflow?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so, why? I'd suspect that a "so that people knew where the image
>>>>>>>> came
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> from"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> reason may be one - but in reality do people actually _know_ about
>>>>>>>> this data in order to get back to the source organisation? Or are
>>>>>>>> tools like Google "upload an image" search or TinEye actually more
>>>>>>>> used?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also - given that there is evidence that almost all social media
>>>>>>>> sites
>>>>>>>> strip out some or all of this data, is it still worthwhile?
>>>>>>>> (http://www.controlledvocabulary.com/socialmedia/)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cheers!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>
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