Thank you Gunnar-
I would like to add that Elsevier is one of the most reputable publishers in the scientific and academic world. To even suggest that they are anything less than legitimate is really a joke.
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On May 23, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Gunnar Swanson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Based on previous posts to this list, I have to agree with Nicolai's description of Bishop as a troll. Having seen the interactions in the past, I believe that Katherine is mistaken in her assessment that he was criticizing behavior rather than mounting a personal attack. By all appearances, he was retaliating for Ken's previous comments rather than arguing the case in hand.
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> He was willfully ignoring the distinction between promoting legitimate academic efforts and the promotion of fraudulent and/or worthless journals and conferences. I am not alone in objecting to the economic structures of academic publishing but if Bishop does not see the difference between legitimate (for profit) intellectual venues and those that exist only for profit and without academic value, then Nicolai is absolutely right: He should be ignored.
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> If one wants to argue the merits of a particular venue, that's legitimate. Claiming that having objected to the promotion of pseudo-academic junk subsequently disallows the promotion of anything is not legitimate.
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> Katherine is correct in saying that "It’s a good thing that we collectively and openly discuss what is we feel is acceptable behavior on this great resource" but I would quibble with the characterization that the list is something "we have built together." I have been an active participant for about fifteen years but Ken was in from the beginning and has been a mainstay even while other founders have reduced their presence. If Ken sometimes seems proprietary about the list, he has earned that right.
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> In my time on the list, I have seen massive intellectual generosity on Ken's part and cannot remember a real contribution that Bishop has made. This is not to say that Ken is beyond criticism or that regular posters should be treated as if beyond reproach. I have called Ken on the rare times that I thought he was out of line and have no doubt about his willingness to return the favor. It is, however, slightly disingenuous to pretend that he should be regarded as incidental to an effort by a massive collective.
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