Dear all,
Personally, I welcome reasonable debates and at times even if they come with emotion since each one of us is unique individual. No one ever said one needs to be composed before his points will be taken seriously, thus some murmur, some utter and some shout. The most important is that their points are organized and got across clearly.
I believe when we set up a forum and welcome discussion/debates... (whatever we like to call it), we should have prepared for agreements as well as disagreements. If a debate is of one view, it is not a debate anymore, am I correct?
Thus, so long as our discussions/debates have not been getting personal, I wish all of you to stay and contribute, more so for scholars like Terry et al. If anyone finds any point nonsense anytime, s/he has the choice to ignore and not responding to it.
Terry, please stay.
Frankie
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From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Don Norman
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:45 AM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: We need some ground rules
I object to Terry's departure. Terry: Stay. (That is an order.)
I can understand:
1. Terry's contributions
2. People's objections to his contributions
3. Terry's attempts to respond to the objections.
4. Terry's frustrations
I have corresponded with him off-list about items I disagreed with and about times i agreed with him. Off-list is far more productive, I find.
In one such off-list correspondence (with Terry and Ken where I was explaining to Ken why I agreed with Terry), Ken said I hadn't read his latest post. I agreed, explaining that when I see these escalating battles, after the 3rd or 4th such diatribe, i delete them all as soon as they come in, without reading any of them.
Which may be my loss, but time is finite, and my time even more finite.
I have at times agreed with Terry and at times disagreed. Or more often, agreed with the spirit but not all of the statements.
Disagreements are good. I always learn a lot more from people I disagree with than from people I agree with. Agreements are nice, but disagreements cause me to think, learn, and at times, change my mind.
BUT:
We some ground rules.
A wise journal editor once allowed an indefinite number of responses to papers and responses to responses to be published in his journal, but he had a simple rule.
No response could be longer than 1/2 the length of the piece it was responding to. So the 5th response was 1/32 the size of the original.
Alternatively, we could have a cutoff: Each person gets two chances to respond. Period.
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When the debate gets heated, i suspect most people tune off. All the points have been made, so repetition does no good.
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Terry: don't leave. But to Terry and those who keep coming back to the same topic over and over again: *stop*.
I usually can resist responding. Why can't the rest of you? One response?
Yes, welcome. Two responses? Less welcome. More than that? Stop it already, I am engaging automatic delete mode.
Don
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Terence Love <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> It's become clear the perspectives and assumptions that are the
> foundation of what I write no longer fit well with the perspectives
> and assumptions held by the majority on phd-design.
>
> This makes debate difficult on both sides, to the point I have decided
> to unsubscribe.
>
> Thank you all again for many interesting conversations and debates.
>
Don Norman
Director, DesignLab, UC San Diego
[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> designlab.ucsd.edu/ www.jnd.org<http://www.jnd.org> <http://www.jnd.org/>
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