Don, I'm in awe of your wisdom.
(In modern idiom, I would simply write *slow-clap*)
I don't know how practicable your suggestions are in jiscmail, but at least
you're making suggestions.
Terry, I hope you read all these messages, and stay.
\V/_ /fas
*Prof. Filippo A. Salustri, Ph.D., P.Eng.*
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On 21 April 2015 at 22:45, Don Norman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I object to Terry's departure. Terry: Stay. (That is an order.)
>
>
> I can understand:
>
> 1. Terry's contributions
> 2. People's objections to his contributions
> 3. Terry's attempts to respond to the objections.
> 4. Terry's frustrations
>
> I have corresponded with him off-list about items I disagreed with and
> about times i agreed with him. Off-list is far more productive, I find.
>
> In one such off-list correspondence (with Terry and Ken where I was
> explaining to Ken why I agreed with Terry), Ken said I hadn't read his
> latest post. I agreed, explaining that when I see these escalating
> battles, after the 3rd or 4th such diatribe, i delete them all as soon as
> they come in, without reading any of them.
>
> Which may be my loss, but time is finite, and my time even more finite.
>
> I have at times agreed with Terry and at times disagreed. Or more often,
> agreed with the spirit but not all of the statements.
>
> Disagreements are good. I always learn a lot more from people I disagree
> with than from people I agree with. Agreements are nice, but disagreements
> cause me to think, learn, and at times, change my mind.
>
> BUT:
>
> We some ground rules.
>
> A wise journal editor once allowed an indefinite number of responses to
> papers and responses to responses to be published in his journal, but he
> had a simple rule.
>
> No response could be longer than 1/2 the length of the piece it was
> responding to. So the 5th response was 1/32 the size of the original.
>
>
> Alternatively, we could have a cutoff: Each person gets two chances to
> respond. Period.
>
> --
> When the debate gets heated, i suspect most people tune off. All the points
> have been made, so repetition does no good.
>
> --
> Terry: don't leave. But to Terry and those who keep coming back to the
> same topic over and over again: *stop*.
>
> I usually can resist responding. Why can't the rest of you? One response?
> Yes, welcome. Two responses? Less welcome. More than that? Stop it already,
> I am engaging automatic delete mode.
>
> Don
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Terence Love <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > It's become clear the perspectives and assumptions that are the
> foundation
> > of what I write no longer fit well with the perspectives and assumptions
> > held by the majority on phd-design.
> >
> > This makes debate difficult on both sides, to the point I have decided to
> > unsubscribe.
> >
> > Thank you all again for many interesting conversations and debates.
> >
>
>
>
> Don Norman
> Director, DesignLab, UC San Diego
> [log in to unmask] designlab.ucsd.edu/ www.jnd.org <http://www.jnd.org/>
>
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