Isn't the world society now an upgraded version of the Roman Empire with wage slavery and inequalities possibly greater than Croesus ?
So we really need to be imagining what an equal just world looks like?
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> On 11 Mar 2015, at 17:07, "Moore, Robert" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> I think I saw recently (possibly in Andrew Sayer's 'Why We Can't Afford the Rich') that one third wealth is simply inherited, one third is entrepreneurial (Dyson et al) and one third inherited but worked up entrepreneurially. Not absolutely certain of reference.
> Those who remember 'Punch' may recollect a cartoon of a man standing with his son at the window looking across an industrial complex and saying 'I started right at the bottom with just one factory'.
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> Robert
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> Subject: Re: Moneyed inheritance and the Socialist Will - advice please!
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> The hypocrisy is surely on the Tory side, when benefits claimants on £80 a
> week are described as wanting 'something for nothing' ( i.e. the means of
> survival), while inherited wealth which provides much greater somethings for
> nothing is not to be taxed, and may allow future generations of wealthy
> families to avoid having to do any serious work.
> Some time ago there was a figure given to the percentage of millionaires
> who had actually earned their wealth, compared with those who had merely
> inherited or married into it, and it was around 90 per cent. Are there more
> recent figures?
> Gavin Ross
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> From: Clive Durdle
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 1:40 PM
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> Subject: Re: Moneyed inheritance and the Socialist Will - advice please!
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> I have done more mulling than I realised!
> https://clivedurdle.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/enabling-the-future-to-participate/
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>> On 11 Mar 2015, at 13:32, Clive Durdle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> I have mulled over these ideas but nothing definite! I think some
>> principles would be around building the common wealth, using cohousing
>> cooperative ideas, new Lanark, news from nowhere. Ostrom, zero energy
>> communities. There was thinking about this in 70's and 80's - green town
>> Milton Keynes but not sure what is happening recently - lilac cohousing
>> Leeds are us projects, extra care cohousing ......
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>>> On 11 Mar 2015, at 12:43, John Bibby <[log in to unmask]>
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>>> We often complain about inherited wealth.
>>>
>>> Yet most of us were born into comparatively wealthy families (top 50%),
>>> and many receive considerable sums from parents, friends and relatives at
>>> times when we don't really need it.
>>>
>>> I see risks of hypocrisy here, and want to ensure that my own 'wealth' is
>>> well-used.
>>>
>>> How should one write one's will? Lawyers may help with the legalities.
>>> But who can guide on the ethics?
>>>
>>> I'd welcome comments on or off-list from anyone who has grappled with
>>> this, or who is interested in it. Am glad to discuss informally and
>>> confidentially too. My phone is 01904-330334.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JOHN BIBBY
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