Hi Terry,
I'm sorry if what I wrote was read like a criticism of your person.
It was not. I don't know anything about you, and even if I did that
wouldn't entitle me to do so.
I feel I have no right to criticize anyone. Ever.
Let it be clear that my criticism is upon your remarks and your
demeanor.
Like anyone in this list, I have the right to express my opinion.
Like anyone in a list entitled "PhD-Design - This list is for discussion
of PhD studies and related research in Design" I have the right to
criticize any remarks that not only are off-topic and detrimental to the
very essence of this list and of DRS itself.
Thank you for posting your CV, but I'm not currently hiring.
Best regards,
------
Carlos
On 2014-09-15 07:32, Terence Love wrote:
> Hi Carlos,
>
> Wow what set of personal criticisms you have of me.
>
> Ok, here is the Art and Design and graphic design side of my history so
> you
> can at least attack me on the basis of some facts.
>
> 1964-1970 In top 3 students in Art at school and obsessed with
> Modernism.
> 1969-1970, developing and selling tools for graphic designers,
> industrial
> designers, architects etc ( perspective sheets). Designing equipment
> and
> clothing for outdoor sports (climbing, sailing, mountaineering).
> 1972- 1975 programming 'open source' early graphic design, CAD and
> design
> optimisation software in Algol and Fortran while at university. 1972
> created networked wordprocessor with basic formatting using George/MOP3
> on
> ICL and PDP computers.
> 1975-1976 some graphics projects for better teaching of mathematics
> concepts
> in secondary schools.
> 1983-91 Ran a consulting and contracting business with a graphic
> design
> sub-business. Was one of the pioneer users of graphic design software
> on
> personal computers (since before PC and Mac were available) . Jobs
> included
> designing and printing alternative medicine labels, document design and
> printing, posters, pamphlets, developing interfaces for software,
> developing
> interfaces in hypertext for online learning (note this was several
> years
> before Hypercard came out on the Mac). Software used included Algol,
> Fortran, PascalHypertext Editing Software, Enquire and Guide, Aldus
> Pagemaker, Xerox Ventura, Corel Draw. Started developing local internet
> networks and using email around 1988 on Internet proper from 1999 and
> on
> world wide web with first website from 1994 including several studies
> of how
> to best use the web interface.
> 1991-2002 Sundry document design mostly using Xerox/Corel Ventura,
> Corel
> Draw and Paint, Adobe Type Manager and sundry supporting design and
> documentation programs . Managing a research centre on information
> systems
> design.
> 2003 -2014 Publishing, typesetting, document design, web design
> business
> alongside employment in the School of Art and Design at Curtin
> University.
> Also variously responsible as Chief Examiner and other roles for the
> setting
> of the national Western Australian examinations in Art and Design and
> Visual
> Arts (equivalent to English 'A' levels). Also supervised over 30 PhDs,
> Masters by Research and honours research projects in Art and Design
> including in areas of fashion design, interface design, graphic design,
> web
> design, typography and I've even occasionally taught undergraduate
> graphic
> design. Also various research projects associated with Art and Design
> including a 5 year 5 country investigation of Art and Design National
> Design Infrastructures. Mostly software I now use is Adobe Suite but
> Corel
> and Ventura are still hanging in there and I use many other niche
> graphic
> design software programs for systems diagramming and modelling. Once
> or
> twice a year I have contract to typeset reports, particularly large
> reports.
> Largest to date has been 450,000 words with a large number of images
> and
> diagrams. This week, I'm involved with making diagrams and typesetting
> a 250
> page book including new cover design, supporting the design of one new
> major
> website, and creating new webpages and maintaining around a dozen other
> websites - as well as responding to your comments!
>
> Best wishes,
> Terry
>
> ---
> Dr Terence Love
> PhD(UWA), BA(Hons) Engin. PGCEd, FDRS, AMIMechE, PMACM, MISI
> Director,
> Love Services Pty Ltd
> PO Box 226, Quinns Rocks
> Western Australia 6030
> Tel: +61 (0)4 3497 5848
> Fax:+61 (0)8 9305 7629
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> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask]
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carlos Pires
> Sent: Monday, 15 September 2014 5:46 AM
> To: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related
> research in Design
> Subject: Re: Most fields of Design was The (lack of?) design quality of
> academic paper formatting
>
> On 14/09/2014, at 11:12, Terence Love wrote:
>
>> Taking graphic design as an example:
>>
>> In type a) (background knowledge and skill rather than knowledge and
>> skill
> specific to design activities) we would locate colour theory, gestalt
> theory, use of balance, information hierarchy, typography, theories of
> emotional design, drawing and sketching skills, perspective, use of
> rhetoric, web design, identity, symbols, design materials and
> manufacture,
> human perception, culture, photography, communication, representation,
> research skills, narrative, illustration and animation, game design
> principles, printing, media studies, internet studies and many other
> topics
> taught in design schools.
>>
>> It leaves the question about the part of design education that is
> specifically about design activity, i.e. the type b) topics. 'What in
> design
> education should be included as type b) the knowledge and expertise
> that is
> specifically about the activity of designing?
>>
>> This latter is a serious question.
>>
>
> Terry,
>
> The example you write only shows your ignorance about what graphic
> design
> is.
> It shows you see the subject from your secluded ivory tower, and
> although
> you can see from a distance that graphic design has roads into all
> those
> different subjects and fields, you can't fathom how those connections
> are
> made. Well... surprise, surprise... They are made by Design!
>
> But, apparently, in your mind, "Design" is just shorthand for
> "Engineering
> Design", and everyone who is not an engineer is simply piggybacking
> that
> marvelous concept that the Great Engineers of Ancient Times (see
> previous
> episode, err... thread) so smartly came up with, bless their little
> genial
> heads.
>
> That's alright. People can believe what they want. I don't mind that.
> What I do mind is the constant pollution of this mailing list (which is
> supposed to be for discussions related to research in Design) with all
> this
> off-topic babble.
> Maybe it's time for a new mailing list.
> We could call it "Engineering Design - This list is for the discussion
> of
> how Engineering is Design and Design is Engineering and nothing else".
>
> Cheer up. Graphic designers aren't going to storm your ivory tower
> anytime
> soon.
> And even if they did, they would accomplish nothing: their puny little
> minds
> can't come up with anything useful. I mean, they're only graphic
> designers
> because they failed at algebra, right?
>
> Cheers,
> ==================================
> Carlos Pires
>
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