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Terry, all
I wish you'd stop this.
Of course your cv is impressive ( mine is too!)
We all have sensitivities that can trigger energy wasting negativity. I think yours may be being considered 'an engineer' so you project your resentment on to the field you describe as Art and Design. Of course graphic designers (and other designers too) have their own sensitivities as they resent being perceived as style only.
We can all be more valuing of each other because there is too much negative energy in the world and wars and boundaries are being set up all over the place. It's worth considering that if human energy is all entangled and interconnected, then this thread is currently contributing to the world's problems not solving them.
It's not helpful, and it's worse than that- it's depressing. You know where the trigger points are now- I think you can avoid then.
Fiona
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> On 15 Sep 2014, at 06:32 am, Terence Love <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> Wow what set of personal criticisms you have of me.
>
> Ok, here is the Art and Design and graphic design side of my history so you
> can at least attack me on the basis of some facts.
>
> 1964-1970 In top 3 students in Art at school and obsessed with Modernism.
> 1969-1970, developing and selling tools for graphic designers, industrial
> designers, architects etc ( perspective sheets). Designing equipment and
> clothing for outdoor sports (climbing, sailing, mountaineering).
> 1972- 1975 programming 'open source' early graphic design, CAD and design
> optimisation software in Algol and Fortran while at university. 1972
> created networked wordprocessor with basic formatting using George/MOP3 on
> ICL and PDP computers.
> 1975-1976 some graphics projects for better teaching of mathematics concepts
> in secondary schools.
> 1983-91 Ran a consulting and contracting business with a graphic design
> sub-business. Was one of the pioneer users of graphic design software on
> personal computers (since before PC and Mac were available) . Jobs included
> designing and printing alternative medicine labels, document design and
> printing, posters, pamphlets, developing interfaces for software, developing
> interfaces in hypertext for online learning (note this was several years
> before Hypercard came out on the Mac). Software used included Algol,
> Fortran, PascalHypertext Editing Software, Enquire and Guide, Aldus
> Pagemaker, Xerox Ventura, Corel Draw. Started developing local internet
> networks and using email around 1988 on Internet proper from 1999 and on
> world wide web with first website from 1994 including several studies of how
> to best use the web interface.
> 1991-2002 Sundry document design mostly using Xerox/Corel Ventura, Corel
> Draw and Paint, Adobe Type Manager and sundry supporting design and
> documentation programs . Managing a research centre on information systems
> design.
> 2003 -2014 Publishing, typesetting, document design, web design business
> alongside employment in the School of Art and Design at Curtin University.
> Also variously responsible as Chief Examiner and other roles for the setting
> of the national Western Australian examinations in Art and Design and Visual
> Arts (equivalent to English 'A' levels). Also supervised over 30 PhDs,
> Masters by Research and honours research projects in Art and Design
> including in areas of fashion design, interface design, graphic design, web
> design, typography and I've even occasionally taught undergraduate graphic
> design. Also various research projects associated with Art and Design
> including a 5 year 5 country investigation of Art and Design National
> Design Infrastructures. Mostly software I now use is Adobe Suite but Corel
> and Ventura are still hanging in there and I use many other niche graphic
> design software programs for systems diagramming and modelling. Once or
> twice a year I have contract to typeset reports, particularly large reports.
> Largest to date has been 450,000 words with a large number of images and
> diagrams. This week, I'm involved with making diagrams and typesetting a 250
> page book including new cover design, supporting the design of one new major
> website, and creating new webpages and maintaining around a dozen other
> websites - as well as responding to your comments!
>
> Best wishes,
> Terry
>
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> PhD(UWA), BA(Hons) Engin. PGCEd, FDRS, AMIMechE, PMACM, MISI
> Director,
> Love Services Pty Ltd
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask]
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carlos Pires
> Sent: Monday, 15 September 2014 5:46 AM
> To: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related
> research in Design
> Subject: Re: Most fields of Design was The (lack of?) design quality of
> academic paper formatting
>
>> On 14/09/2014, at 11:12, Terence Love wrote:
>>
>> Taking graphic design as an example:
>>
>> In type a) (background knowledge and skill rather than knowledge and skill
> specific to design activities) we would locate colour theory, gestalt
> theory, use of balance, information hierarchy, typography, theories of
> emotional design, drawing and sketching skills, perspective, use of
> rhetoric, web design, identity, symbols, design materials and manufacture,
> human perception, culture, photography, communication, representation,
> research skills, narrative, illustration and animation, game design
> principles, printing, media studies, internet studies and many other topics
> taught in design schools.
>>
>> It leaves the question about the part of design education that is
> specifically about design activity, i.e. the type b) topics. 'What in design
> education should be included as type b) the knowledge and expertise that is
> specifically about the activity of designing?
>>
>> This latter is a serious question.
>
> Terry,
>
> The example you write only shows your ignorance about what graphic design
> is.
> It shows you see the subject from your secluded ivory tower, and although
> you can see from a distance that graphic design has roads into all those
> different subjects and fields, you can't fathom how those connections are
> made. Well... surprise, surprise... They are made by Design!
>
> But, apparently, in your mind, "Design" is just shorthand for "Engineering
> Design", and everyone who is not an engineer is simply piggybacking that
> marvelous concept that the Great Engineers of Ancient Times (see previous
> episode, err... thread) so smartly came up with, bless their little genial
> heads.
>
> That's alright. People can believe what they want. I don't mind that.
> What I do mind is the constant pollution of this mailing list (which is
> supposed to be for discussions related to research in Design) with all this
> off-topic babble.
> Maybe it's time for a new mailing list.
> We could call it "Engineering Design - This list is for the discussion of
> how Engineering is Design and Design is Engineering and nothing else".
>
> Cheer up. Graphic designers aren't going to storm your ivory tower anytime
> soon.
> And even if they did, they would accomplish nothing: their puny little minds
> can't come up with anything useful. I mean, they're only graphic designers
> because they failed at algebra, right?
>
> Cheers,
> ==================================
> Carlos Pires
>
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