Dear all
With all these comments about digital mapping, just a reminder about the BGS-SIGMA mapping system; it runs on ArcGIS (10 or 10.1) and you do need an ArcGIS licence, but the BGS-SIGMA customisation is freely available on an Open Source basis. http://www.bgs.ac.uk/research/sigma/home.html
Contact Nikki Smith ([log in to unmask]) if you would like more information.
Best wishes
Kathryn
Kathryn Goodenough
Senior Geologist
British Geological Survey
Murchison House,
West Mains Road,
Edinburgh EH9 3LA, UK
+44 131 6500272
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Topics of the day:
1. Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino (4)
2. digital geologic mapping resources
3. Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino--scarey observation
4. Suitability of iphones as digital compass-clinos -- scary observations
5. GV mapper versus Fieldmove (4)
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:25:33 +0000
From: Roddy Muir <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Hi folks,
Just a quick note to let you know that we have released four short videos explaining how to set up a project, collect data, view and edit your data and then export your project from the FieldMove Clino app.
The links to the four films can be found on the FieldMove Clino page on the Midland Valley website:
http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino
We hope that you find these useful.
Roddy Muir
Managing Director
________________________________
Have you upgraded FieldMove Clino to FieldMove Clino Pro?
For more information: www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino<http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino>
Download from these app stores:
[cid:image001.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fieldmove-clino/id647463813?mt=8> [cid:image002.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360] <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mve.fieldmove.clino>
Midland Valley Exploration Ltd.
2 West Regent Street
Glasgow G2 1RW
United Kingdom
T: +44 (0) 141 332 2681
F: +44 (0) 141 332 6792
E: [log in to unmask]
W: www.mve.com
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:53:27 +0000
From: "Pavlis, Terry L" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: digital geologic mapping resources
For those interested I have finally launched a digital geologic mapping website that contains information on what we've been doing here in El Paso. It also includes resources for getting started on your own etc. The site is:
http://www.geo.utep.edu/pub/pavlis/digitalmappingwebpages/
You can explore the site. It isn't finished yet. Nonetheless, the main thing other than information that people might be interested in are downloads of tuitorials and blank projects we've developed for use in either Arcpad or QGIS. There is also a tuitorial that I use with students to supplement midland valley's tuitorials on Fieldmove. Don't think of that as anything but a quick start guide for fieldmove. It is for those of you, like me, who don't want to read the manual.
The project files for the field gis systems (qgis and arcpad) have been through the "student test" which means most of the bugs have been worked out. One cautionary note, don't use the qgis files with the latest version of qgis (2.4). There is some kind of bug in this latest version that messes up our data entry forms. So if you try to use it you will just get frustrated (as I learned yesterday spending 2 hours with a student)
Terry Pavlis
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:55:12 +0000
From: Julia Kramer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Hi Roddy,
do you have any comments/ suggestions on the hardware side for your compass app? Neither my nor my colleague's iphone 5S or ipad mini produce any reliable measurements. With my ipad mini it is especially the northern quadrant that is off by as much as 40 degrees, whereas dip directions towards other cardinal directions are quite accurate. The iphone is completely useless. I have read that it might be a device-specific software problem that is currently being reviewed by Apple, but maybe you have already gathered some experience on top of what is described in terms of device calibration in your user manual.
Any advise would be highly appreciated!
Thank you and kind regards,
Julia
Dr. Julia Kramer Bernhard
Senior Consultant (Structural Geology)
SRK Consulting
Oceanic Plaza, 22nd Floor, 1066 West Hastings Street
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6E 3X2
Tel: +1 604 235 8574
Mobile: +1 778 995 5330
Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>; skype: Julia.Kramer.Bernhard
www.na.srk.com<http://www.na.srk.com/>
www.linkedin.com/in/juliakramer
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From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Roddy Muir [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:25 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Hi folks,
Just a quick note to let you know that we have released four short videos explaining how to set up a project, collect data, view and edit your data and then export your project from the FieldMove Clino app.
The links to the four films can be found on the FieldMove Clino page on the Midland Valley website:
http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino
We hope that you find these useful.
Roddy Muir
Managing Director
________________________________
Have you upgraded FieldMove Clino to FieldMove Clino Pro?
For more information: www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino<http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino>
Download from these app stores:
[cid:image001.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fieldmove-clino/id647463813?mt=8> [cid:image002.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360] <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mve.fieldmove.clino>
Midland Valley Exploration Ltd.
2 West Regent Street
Glasgow G2 1RW
United Kingdom
T: +44 (0) 141 332 2681
F: +44 (0) 141 332 6792
E: [log in to unmask]
W: www.mve.com
[cid:image003.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 20:23:19 +0200
From: Andrea Billi <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Roddy,
I join Julia with the same problems and errors.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Ciao
Andrea
Julia Kramer <[log in to unmask]> ha scritto:
> Hi Roddy,
>
>
>
>
>
> do you have any comments/ suggestions on the hardware side for your
> compass app? Neither my nor my colleague's iphone 5S or ipad mini
> produce any reliable measurements. With my ipad mini it is
> especially the northern quadrant that is off by as much as 40
> degrees, whereas dip directions towards other cardinal directions
> are quite accurate. The iphone is completely useless. I have read
> that it might be a device-specific software problem that is
> currently being reviewed by Apple, but maybe you have already
> gathered some experience on top of what is described in terms of
> device calibration in your user manual.
>
>
>
> Any advise would be highly appreciated!
>
>
>
> Thank you and kind regards,
>
> Julia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Julia Kramer Bernhard
> Senior Consultant (Structural Geology)
>
> SRK Consulting
> Oceanic Plaza, 22nd Floor, 1066 West Hastings Street
> Vancouver, BC, Canada V6E 3X2
> Tel: +1 604 235 8574
> Mobile: +1 778 995 5330
> Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>; skype: Julia.Kramer.Bernhard
> www.na.srk.com<http://www.na.srk.com/>
> www.linkedin.com/in/juliakramer
> ________________________________
> From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list
> [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Roddy Muir [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:25 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Just a quick note to let you know that we have released four short
> videos explaining how to set up a project, collect data, view and
> edit your data and then export your project from the FieldMove Clino
> app.
>
> The links to the four films can be found on the FieldMove Clino page
> on the Midland Valley website:
>
> http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino
>
> We hope that you find these useful.
>
> Roddy Muir
> Managing Director
> ________________________________
> Have you upgraded FieldMove Clino to FieldMove Clino Pro?
> For more information:
> www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino<http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino>
> Download from these app stores:
>
> [cid:image001.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fieldmove-clino/id647463813?mt=8> [cid:image002.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mve.fieldmove.clino>
>
> Midland Valley Exploration Ltd.
> 2 West Regent Street
> Glasgow G2 1RW
> United Kingdom
> T: +44 (0) 141 332 2681
> F: +44 (0) 141 332 6792
> E: [log in to unmask]
> W: www.mve.com
> [cid:image003.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
>
>
_________________________________________________
Andrea Billi (PhD)
Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche, IGAG,
c.o. Dipartimento Scienze della Terra,
Sapienza Università di Roma,
P.le A. Moro 5, 00185, Rome, Italy.
Phone: +39 06-49914955
Skype: a.billi
Email: [log in to unmask]
Web site: http://www.andreabilli.com
Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/andreabilli68/
_________________________________________________
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Art. 9: "La Repubblica promuove lo sviluppo della cultura
e la ricerca scientifica e tecnica."
Art. 33: "L'arte e la scienza sono libere e libero ne è
l'insegnamento."
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spaventoso delle persone oneste." Martin Luther King
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:07:20 +0000
From: "Pavlis, Terry L" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino--scarey observation
For what it is worth, we did a little experiment at an Earthcube workshop 3 weeks ago. Poorly controlled experiment in that we didn't force people to calibrate their devices. Even with that disclaimer though, the results were very very sobering. I think we tested 7 or 8 devices; a couple iphones and a bunch of android devices. There was a spread of about 60 degrees in strike measurements with none closer than 5 degrees of the known orientation (using standard analog compass, which was also confirmed with a "geoclino device"--not geoclino software on a phone, the pricey Japanese device). Not sure what this means since the experiment wasn't well controlled, but it definitely fits what Midland Valley has been telling us, which is "know your phone". It seems the sensors are basically useless in some of these devices, whereas others can be quite good. Depends on how lucky you are with your device?
Terry Pavlis
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From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrea Billi
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Roddy,
I join Julia with the same problems and errors.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Ciao
Andrea
Julia Kramer <[log in to unmask]> ha scritto:
> Hi Roddy,
>
>
>
>
>
> do you have any comments/ suggestions on the hardware side for your
> compass app? Neither my nor my colleague's iphone 5S or ipad mini
> produce any reliable measurements. With my ipad mini it is especially
> the northern quadrant that is off by as much as 40 degrees, whereas
> dip directions towards other cardinal directions are quite accurate.
> The iphone is completely useless. I have read that it might be a
> device-specific software problem that is currently being reviewed by
> Apple, but maybe you have already gathered some experience on top of
> what is described in terms of device calibration in your user manual.
>
>
>
> Any advise would be highly appreciated!
>
>
>
> Thank you and kind regards,
>
> Julia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Julia Kramer Bernhard
> Senior Consultant (Structural Geology)
>
> SRK Consulting
> Oceanic Plaza, 22nd Floor, 1066 West Hastings Street Vancouver, BC,
> Canada V6E 3X2
> Tel: +1 604 235 8574
> Mobile: +1 778 995 5330
> Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>; skype:
> Julia.Kramer.Bernhard www.na.srk.com<http://www.na.srk.com/>
> www.linkedin.com/in/juliakramer
> ________________________________
> From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list
> [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Roddy Muir [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:25 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Just a quick note to let you know that we have released four short
> videos explaining how to set up a project, collect data, view and edit
> your data and then export your project from the FieldMove Clino app.
>
> The links to the four films can be found on the FieldMove Clino page
> on the Midland Valley website:
>
> http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino
>
> We hope that you find these useful.
>
> Roddy Muir
> Managing Director
> ________________________________
> Have you upgraded FieldMove Clino to FieldMove Clino Pro?
> For more information:
> www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino<http://www.mve.com/software/fieldm
> oveclino>
> Download from these app stores:
>
> [cid:image001.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fieldmove-clino/id647463813?mt=8> [cid:image002.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mve.fieldmove.clino
> >
>
> Midland Valley Exploration Ltd.
> 2 West Regent Street
> Glasgow G2 1RW
> United Kingdom
> T: +44 (0) 141 332 2681
> F: +44 (0) 141 332 6792
> E: [log in to unmask]
> W: www.mve.com
> [cid:image003.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
>
>
_________________________________________________
Andrea Billi (PhD)
Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche, IGAG, c.o. Dipartimento Scienze della Terra, Sapienza Università di Roma, P.le A. Moro 5, 00185, Rome, Italy.
Phone: +39 06-49914955
Skype: a.billi
Email: [log in to unmask]
Web site: http://www.andreabilli.com
Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/andreabilli68/
_________________________________________________
Dalla Costituzione della Repubblica Italiana Art. 9: "La Repubblica promuove lo sviluppo della cultura e la ricerca scientifica e tecnica."
Art. 33: "L'arte e la scienza sono libere e libero ne è l'insegnamento."
"Non è grave il clamore chiassoso dei violenti, bensì il silenzio spaventoso delle persone oneste." Martin Luther King
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:45:47 +0000
From: Roddy Muir <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Hi Julia,
There is a known issue with the sensors in the iPhone 5S, but we've not come across the specific issue that you describe in the northern quadrant. Do you see the same problem with other compass apps on your iPhone5S and iPad mini? It's also possible that one of the sensors might be faulty or not sitting correctly in the device. It would be worth comparing the results on your phone with those of a colleagues with an identical model. As Terry mentioned in his mail, you need to know your phone and be comfortable that you can rely on it. If all else fails then maybe you can replace or downgrade your iPhone!
The best sensors can be found in the iPhone 4S, iPhone5 (unfortunatley no longer available) and the 5C (this is essentially the iPhone5 in a plastic case). We will have to hope that Apple do not try to cut corners when the iPhone 6 is released. The iPhone5S is supposed to be the flagship model and it feels like a step backwards.
I'm happy to continue this conversation here, but if you want to use my direct email address ([log in to unmask]) then that's fine - in case the rest of the Geotectonics community are not interested in the internal workings of a smartphone.
I look forward to hearing what happens next.
Best regards
Roddy
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From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Julia Kramer [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 27 August 2014 18:55
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Hi Roddy,
do you have any comments/ suggestions on the hardware side for your compass app? Neither my nor my colleague's iphone 5S or ipad mini produce any reliable measurements. With my ipad mini it is especially the northern quadrant that is off by as much as 40 degrees, whereas dip directions towards other cardinal directions are quite accurate. The iphone is completely useless. I have read that it might be a device-specific software problem that is currently being reviewed by Apple, but maybe you have already gathered some experience on top of what is described in terms of device calibration in your user manual.
Any advise would be highly appreciated!
Thank you and kind regards,
Julia
Dr. Julia Kramer Bernhard
Senior Consultant (Structural Geology)
SRK Consulting
Oceanic Plaza, 22nd Floor, 1066 West Hastings Street
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6E 3X2
Tel: +1 604 235 8574
Mobile: +1 778 995 5330
Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>; skype: Julia.Kramer.Bernhard
www.na.srk.com<http://www.na.srk.com/>
www.linkedin.com/in/juliakramer
________________________________
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Roddy Muir [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:25 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Hi folks,
Just a quick note to let you know that we have released four short videos explaining how to set up a project, collect data, view and edit your data and then export your project from the FieldMove Clino app.
The links to the four films can be found on the FieldMove Clino page on the Midland Valley website:
http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino
We hope that you find these useful.
Roddy Muir
Managing Director
________________________________
Have you upgraded FieldMove Clino to FieldMove Clino Pro?
For more information: www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino<http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino>
Download from these app stores:
[cid:image001.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fieldmove-clino/id647463813?mt=8> [cid:image002.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360] <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mve.fieldmove.clino>
Midland Valley Exploration Ltd.
2 West Regent Street
Glasgow G2 1RW
United Kingdom
T: +44 (0) 141 332 2681
F: +44 (0) 141 332 6792
E: [log in to unmask]
W: www.mve.com
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 20:50:23 +0000
From: "JONES R.R." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Suitability of iphones as digital compass-clinos -- scary observations
Just to follow-up on Terry's comments, and to reiterate some of our own findings that I posted a few months ago ...
We have carried out quite a lot of systematic testing of the suitability of iPhones as compass-clinos for measuring geological planes - and we have experienced very mixed results.
From our point of view, the good news is that ...
(1) we have managed to get good, repeatable results that are approximately as precise as a set of analogue compass-clinos (Silva liquid filled housings, double spirit-level, no electronics).
(2) once we're up and running, using an iPhone is much quicker than any analogue compass-clino we've used; so ideal for taking large numbers of measurements from a single sampling site (e.g. fracture transects).
(3) we've now taken many, many thousand measurements with iPhones that we believe are within acceptable precision.
The bad news is that ...
(1) if we're not very rigorous in setting-up and calibrating the devices, we usually get randomly bad results.
(2) even if we are very careful, the iPhones sometimes don't self-calibrate properly - so we always cross-check the iPhone against an analogue compass-clino before and after a measurement session.
(3) there's no obvious way of examining the device itself to see whether it's likely to be functioning correctly - you must have another device with which to compare it.
So personally, I'm extremely sceptical of the general validity of any orientation data that have been collected with smartphones - unless the user has documented their calibration procedure carefully, and that the calibration has not relied wholly of the device's own calibration [... or until someone has documented why this isn't necessary].
Based on this, I'd also recommend that any orientation data that are published (or form the basis for interpretations that are published) include a statement on the equipment and method used.
... Of course, perhaps implicit in the above is an assumption that the old non-digital compass-clinos that we've used for years are universally precise, accurate and reliable beyond doubt - which really isn't the case at all.
If we get chance soon, myself and/or colleagues will document all the results of our iPhone testing and put into the public domain, so that it's not just ad-hoc comments on a discussion list. Sorry not to have done it already.
Richard
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Geospatial Research Ltd.
Office Suite 7, Harrison House,
Hawthorn Terrace
Durham DH1 4EL, UK
http://www.geospatial-research.com/
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pavlis, Terry L
Sent: 27 August 2014 20:07
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino--scarey observation
For what it is worth, we did a little experiment at an Earthcube workshop 3 weeks ago. Poorly controlled experiment in that we didn't force people to calibrate their devices. Even with that disclaimer though, the results were very very sobering. I think we tested 7 or 8 devices; a couple iphones and a bunch of android devices. There was a spread of about 60 degrees in strike measurements with none closer than 5 degrees of the known orientation (using standard analog compass, which was also confirmed with a "geoclino device"--not geoclino software on a phone, the pricey Japanese device). Not sure what this means since the experiment wasn't well controlled, but it definitely fits what Midland Valley has been telling us, which is "know your phone". It seems the sensors are basically useless in some of these devices, whereas others can be quite good. Depends on how lucky you are with your device?
Terry Pavlis
-----Original Message-----
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrea Billi
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Roddy,
I join Julia with the same problems and errors.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Ciao
Andrea
Julia Kramer <[log in to unmask]> ha scritto:
> Hi Roddy,
>
>
>
>
>
> do you have any comments/ suggestions on the hardware side for your
> compass app? Neither my nor my colleague's iphone 5S or ipad mini
> produce any reliable measurements. With my ipad mini it is especially
> the northern quadrant that is off by as much as 40 degrees, whereas
> dip directions towards other cardinal directions are quite accurate.
> The iphone is completely useless. I have read that it might be a
> device-specific software problem that is currently being reviewed by
> Apple, but maybe you have already gathered some experience on top of
> what is described in terms of device calibration in your user manual.
>
>
>
> Any advise would be highly appreciated!
>
>
>
> Thank you and kind regards,
>
> Julia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Julia Kramer Bernhard
> Senior Consultant (Structural Geology)
>
> SRK Consulting
> Oceanic Plaza, 22nd Floor, 1066 West Hastings Street Vancouver, BC,
> Canada V6E 3X2
> Tel: +1 604 235 8574
> Mobile: +1 778 995 5330
> Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>; skype:
> Julia.Kramer.Bernhard www.na.srk.com<http://www.na.srk.com/>
> www.linkedin.com/in/juliakramer
> ________________________________
> From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list
> [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Roddy Muir [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:25 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Just a quick note to let you know that we have released four short
> videos explaining how to set up a project, collect data, view and edit
> your data and then export your project from the FieldMove Clino app.
>
> The links to the four films can be found on the FieldMove Clino page
> on the Midland Valley website:
>
> http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino
>
> We hope that you find these useful.
>
> Roddy Muir
> Managing Director
> ________________________________
> Have you upgraded FieldMove Clino to FieldMove Clino Pro?
> For more information:
> www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino<http://www.mve.com/software/fieldm
> oveclino>
> Download from these app stores:
>
> [cid:image001.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fieldmove-clino/id647463813?mt=8> [cid:image002.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mve.fieldmove.clino
> >
>
> Midland Valley Exploration Ltd.
> 2 West Regent Street
> Glasgow G2 1RW
> United Kingdom
> T: +44 (0) 141 332 2681
> F: +44 (0) 141 332 6792
> E: [log in to unmask]
> W: www.mve.com
> [cid:image003.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
>
>
_________________________________________________
Andrea Billi (PhD)
Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche, IGAG, c.o. Dipartimento Scienze della Terra, Sapienza Università di Roma, P.le A. Moro 5, 00185, Rome, Italy.
Phone: +39 06-49914955
Skype: a.billi
Email: [log in to unmask]
Web site: http://www.andreabilli.com
Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/andreabilli68/
_________________________________________________
Dalla Costituzione della Repubblica Italiana Art. 9: "La Repubblica promuove lo sviluppo della cultura e la ricerca scientifica e tecnica."
Art. 33: "L'arte e la scienza sono libere e libero ne è l'insegnamento."
"Non è grave il clamore chiassoso dei violenti, bensì il silenzio spaventoso delle persone oneste." Martin Luther King
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:06:42 +0000
From: Julie Rowland <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
Hi all - going in a slightly different direction. Terry, thanks for the great info on your link. Have you or anyone else compared GV mapper, from GEOVECTRA, to Fieldmove? I liked what I saw of it in Chile and wondered if someone familiar with both digital mapping options can comment.
JR
Dr Julie Rowland
SCHOOL OF ENVIRONMENT
The University of Auckland
Private Bag 92109
Auckland
1004
New Zealand
________________________________________
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of JONES R.R. [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2014 8:50 a.m.
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Suitability of iphones as digital compass-clinos -- scary observations
Just to follow-up on Terry's comments, and to reiterate some of our own findings that I posted a few months ago ...
We have carried out quite a lot of systematic testing of the suitability of iPhones as compass-clinos for measuring geological planes - and we have experienced very mixed results.
From our point of view, the good news is that ...
(1) we have managed to get good, repeatable results that are approximately as precise as a set of analogue compass-clinos (Silva liquid filled housings, double spirit-level, no electronics).
(2) once we're up and running, using an iPhone is much quicker than any analogue compass-clino we've used; so ideal for taking large numbers of measurements from a single sampling site (e.g. fracture transects).
(3) we've now taken many, many thousand measurements with iPhones that we believe are within acceptable precision.
The bad news is that ...
(1) if we're not very rigorous in setting-up and calibrating the devices, we usually get randomly bad results.
(2) even if we are very careful, the iPhones sometimes don't self-calibrate properly - so we always cross-check the iPhone against an analogue compass-clino before and after a measurement session.
(3) there's no obvious way of examining the device itself to see whether it's likely to be functioning correctly - you must have another device with which to compare it.
So personally, I'm extremely sceptical of the general validity of any orientation data that have been collected with smartphones - unless the user has documented their calibration procedure carefully, and that the calibration has not relied wholly of the device's own calibration [... or until someone has documented why this isn't necessary].
Based on this, I'd also recommend that any orientation data that are published (or form the basis for interpretations that are published) include a statement on the equipment and method used.
... Of course, perhaps implicit in the above is an assumption that the old non-digital compass-clinos that we've used for years are universally precise, accurate and reliable beyond doubt - which really isn't the case at all.
If we get chance soon, myself and/or colleagues will document all the results of our iPhone testing and put into the public domain, so that it's not just ad-hoc comments on a discussion list. Sorry not to have done it already.
Richard
----------------------------------------------
Richard Jones, Managing Director
Geospatial Research Ltd.
Office Suite 7, Harrison House,
Hawthorn Terrace
Durham DH1 4EL, UK
http://www.geospatial-research.com/
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pavlis, Terry L
Sent: 27 August 2014 20:07
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino--scarey observation
For what it is worth, we did a little experiment at an Earthcube workshop 3 weeks ago. Poorly controlled experiment in that we didn't force people to calibrate their devices. Even with that disclaimer though, the results were very very sobering. I think we tested 7 or 8 devices; a couple iphones and a bunch of android devices. There was a spread of about 60 degrees in strike measurements with none closer than 5 degrees of the known orientation (using standard analog compass, which was also confirmed with a "geoclino device"--not geoclino software on a phone, the pricey Japanese device). Not sure what this means since the experiment wasn't well controlled, but it definitely fits what Midland Valley has been telling us, which is "know your phone". It seems the sensors are basically useless in some of these devices, whereas others can be quite good. Depends on how lucky you are with your device?
Terry Pavlis
-----Original Message-----
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrea Billi
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Roddy,
I join Julia with the same problems and errors.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Ciao
Andrea
Julia Kramer <[log in to unmask]> ha scritto:
> Hi Roddy,
>
>
>
>
>
> do you have any comments/ suggestions on the hardware side for your
> compass app? Neither my nor my colleague's iphone 5S or ipad mini
> produce any reliable measurements. With my ipad mini it is especially
> the northern quadrant that is off by as much as 40 degrees, whereas
> dip directions towards other cardinal directions are quite accurate.
> The iphone is completely useless. I have read that it might be a
> device-specific software problem that is currently being reviewed by
> Apple, but maybe you have already gathered some experience on top of
> what is described in terms of device calibration in your user manual.
>
>
>
> Any advise would be highly appreciated!
>
>
>
> Thank you and kind regards,
>
> Julia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Julia Kramer Bernhard
> Senior Consultant (Structural Geology)
>
> SRK Consulting
> Oceanic Plaza, 22nd Floor, 1066 West Hastings Street Vancouver, BC,
> Canada V6E 3X2
> Tel: +1 604 235 8574
> Mobile: +1 778 995 5330
> Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>; skype:
> Julia.Kramer.Bernhard www.na.srk.com<http://www.na.srk.com/>
> www.linkedin.com/in/juliakramer
> ________________________________
> From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list
> [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Roddy Muir [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:25 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Just a quick note to let you know that we have released four short
> videos explaining how to set up a project, collect data, view and edit
> your data and then export your project from the FieldMove Clino app.
>
> The links to the four films can be found on the FieldMove Clino page
> on the Midland Valley website:
>
> http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino
>
> We hope that you find these useful.
>
> Roddy Muir
> Managing Director
> ________________________________
> Have you upgraded FieldMove Clino to FieldMove Clino Pro?
> For more information:
> www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino<http://www.mve.com/software/fieldm
> oveclino>
> Download from these app stores:
>
> [cid:image001.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fieldmove-clino/id647463813?mt=8> [cid:image002.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mve.fieldmove.clino
> >
>
> Midland Valley Exploration Ltd.
> 2 West Regent Street
> Glasgow G2 1RW
> United Kingdom
> T: +44 (0) 141 332 2681
> F: +44 (0) 141 332 6792
> E: [log in to unmask]
> W: www.mve.com
> [cid:image003.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
>
>
_________________________________________________
Andrea Billi (PhD)
Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche, IGAG, c.o. Dipartimento Scienze della Terra, Sapienza Università di Roma, P.le A. Moro 5, 00185, Rome, Italy.
Phone: +39 06-49914955
Skype: a.billi
Email: [log in to unmask]
Web site: http://www.andreabilli.com
Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/andreabilli68/
_________________________________________________
Dalla Costituzione della Repubblica Italiana Art. 9: "La Repubblica promuove lo sviluppo della cultura e la ricerca scientifica e tecnica."
Art. 33: "L'arte e la scienza sono libere e libero ne è l'insegnamento."
"Non è grave il clamore chiassoso dei violenti, bensì il silenzio spaventoso delle persone oneste." Martin Luther King
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:57:21 +0000
From: "Pavlis, Terry L" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
In all honesty, that is the first I had seen GV mapper. It looks interesting, although my bad Spanish made it a bit of a challenge to figure out exactly what all the capabilities of the software were. Hopefully someone will chime in?
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Julie Rowland
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:07 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
Hi all - going in a slightly different direction. Terry, thanks for the great info on your link. Have you or anyone else compared GV mapper, from GEOVECTRA, to Fieldmove? I liked what I saw of it in Chile and wondered if someone familiar with both digital mapping options can comment.
JR
Dr Julie Rowland
SCHOOL OF ENVIRONMENT
The University of Auckland
Private Bag 92109
Auckland
1004
New Zealand
________________________________________
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of JONES R.R. [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2014 8:50 a.m.
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Suitability of iphones as digital compass-clinos -- scary observations
Just to follow-up on Terry's comments, and to reiterate some of our own findings that I posted a few months ago ...
We have carried out quite a lot of systematic testing of the suitability of iPhones as compass-clinos for measuring geological planes - and we have experienced very mixed results.
From our point of view, the good news is that ...
(1) we have managed to get good, repeatable results that are approximately as precise as a set of analogue compass-clinos (Silva liquid filled housings, double spirit-level, no electronics).
(2) once we're up and running, using an iPhone is much quicker than any analogue compass-clino we've used; so ideal for taking large numbers of measurements from a single sampling site (e.g. fracture transects).
(3) we've now taken many, many thousand measurements with iPhones that we believe are within acceptable precision.
The bad news is that ...
(1) if we're not very rigorous in setting-up and calibrating the devices, we usually get randomly bad results.
(2) even if we are very careful, the iPhones sometimes don't self-calibrate properly - so we always cross-check the iPhone against an analogue compass-clino before and after a measurement session.
(3) there's no obvious way of examining the device itself to see whether it's likely to be functioning correctly - you must have another device with which to compare it.
So personally, I'm extremely sceptical of the general validity of any orientation data that have been collected with smartphones - unless the user has documented their calibration procedure carefully, and that the calibration has not relied wholly of the device's own calibration [... or until someone has documented why this isn't necessary].
Based on this, I'd also recommend that any orientation data that are published (or form the basis for interpretations that are published) include a statement on the equipment and method used.
... Of course, perhaps implicit in the above is an assumption that the old non-digital compass-clinos that we've used for years are universally precise, accurate and reliable beyond doubt - which really isn't the case at all.
If we get chance soon, myself and/or colleagues will document all the results of our iPhone testing and put into the public domain, so that it's not just ad-hoc comments on a discussion list. Sorry not to have done it already.
Richard
----------------------------------------------
Richard Jones, Managing Director
Geospatial Research Ltd.
Office Suite 7, Harrison House,
Hawthorn Terrace
Durham DH1 4EL, UK
http://www.geospatial-research.com/
----------------------------------------------
-----Original Message-----
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pavlis, Terry L
Sent: 27 August 2014 20:07
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino--scarey observation
For what it is worth, we did a little experiment at an Earthcube workshop 3 weeks ago. Poorly controlled experiment in that we didn't force people to calibrate their devices. Even with that disclaimer though, the results were very very sobering. I think we tested 7 or 8 devices; a couple iphones and a bunch of android devices. There was a spread of about 60 degrees in strike measurements with none closer than 5 degrees of the known orientation (using standard analog compass, which was also confirmed with a "geoclino device"--not geoclino software on a phone, the pricey Japanese device). Not sure what this means since the experiment wasn't well controlled, but it definitely fits what Midland Valley has been telling us, which is "know your phone". It seems the sensors are basically useless in some of these devices, whereas others can be quite good. Depends on how lucky you are with your device?
Terry Pavlis
-----Original Message-----
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrea Billi
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Roddy,
I join Julia with the same problems and errors.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Ciao
Andrea
Julia Kramer <[log in to unmask]> ha scritto:
> Hi Roddy,
>
>
>
>
>
> do you have any comments/ suggestions on the hardware side for your
> compass app? Neither my nor my colleague's iphone 5S or ipad mini
> produce any reliable measurements. With my ipad mini it is especially
> the northern quadrant that is off by as much as 40 degrees, whereas
> dip directions towards other cardinal directions are quite accurate.
> The iphone is completely useless. I have read that it might be a
> device-specific software problem that is currently being reviewed by
> Apple, but maybe you have already gathered some experience on top of
> what is described in terms of device calibration in your user manual.
>
>
>
> Any advise would be highly appreciated!
>
>
>
> Thank you and kind regards,
>
> Julia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Julia Kramer Bernhard
> Senior Consultant (Structural Geology)
>
> SRK Consulting
> Oceanic Plaza, 22nd Floor, 1066 West Hastings Street Vancouver, BC,
> Canada V6E 3X2
> Tel: +1 604 235 8574
> Mobile: +1 778 995 5330
> Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>; skype:
> Julia.Kramer.Bernhard www.na.srk.com<http://www.na.srk.com/>
> www.linkedin.com/in/juliakramer
> ________________________________
> From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list
> [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Roddy Muir [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:25 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Just a quick note to let you know that we have released four short
> videos explaining how to set up a project, collect data, view and edit
> your data and then export your project from the FieldMove Clino app.
>
> The links to the four films can be found on the FieldMove Clino page
> on the Midland Valley website:
>
> http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino
>
> We hope that you find these useful.
>
> Roddy Muir
> Managing Director
> ________________________________
> Have you upgraded FieldMove Clino to FieldMove Clino Pro?
> For more information:
> www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino<http://www.mve.com/software/fieldm
> oveclino>
> Download from these app stores:
>
> [cid:image001.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fieldmove-clino/id647463813?mt=8> [cid:image002.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mve.fieldmove.clino
> >
>
> Midland Valley Exploration Ltd.
> 2 West Regent Street
> Glasgow G2 1RW
> United Kingdom
> T: +44 (0) 141 332 2681
> F: +44 (0) 141 332 6792
> E: [log in to unmask]
> W: www.mve.com
> [cid:image003.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
>
>
_________________________________________________
Andrea Billi (PhD)
Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche, IGAG, c.o. Dipartimento Scienze della Terra, Sapienza Università di Roma, P.le A. Moro 5, 00185, Rome, Italy.
Phone: +39 06-49914955
Skype: a.billi
Email: [log in to unmask]
Web site: http://www.andreabilli.com
Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/andreabilli68/
_________________________________________________
Dalla Costituzione della Repubblica Italiana Art. 9: "La Repubblica promuove lo sviluppo della cultura e la ricerca scientifica e tecnica."
Art. 33: "L'arte e la scienza sono libere e libero ne è l'insegnamento."
"Non è grave il clamore chiassoso dei violenti, bensì il silenzio spaventoso delle persone oneste." Martin Luther King
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:15:08 +0000
From: Julie Rowland <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
GV Mapper has an english version. The workflows looked really good with easy movement between map and sections. It appears to be very flexible in terms of project set-up. At under USD3000 + 800 per year maintenance for the professional version it seems like a pretty good option. But obviously fieldmove academic is free. As someone who works on mineral and geothermal systems I was concerned by your comments about the limitations with Fieldmove. But, I am not sure if GV mapper is better, though I suspect it is. Comments from anyone familiar with GV Mapper would be much appreciated.
JR
Dr Julie Rowland
SCHOOL OF ENVIRONMENT
The University of Auckland
Private Bag 92109
Auckland
1004
New Zealand
________________________________________
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Pavlis, Terry L [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2014 9:57 a.m.
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
In all honesty, that is the first I had seen GV mapper. It looks interesting, although my bad Spanish made it a bit of a challenge to figure out exactly what all the capabilities of the software were. Hopefully someone will chime in?
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Julie Rowland
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:07 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
Hi all - going in a slightly different direction. Terry, thanks for the great info on your link. Have you or anyone else compared GV mapper, from GEOVECTRA, to Fieldmove? I liked what I saw of it in Chile and wondered if someone familiar with both digital mapping options can comment.
JR
Dr Julie Rowland
SCHOOL OF ENVIRONMENT
The University of Auckland
Private Bag 92109
Auckland
1004
New Zealand
________________________________________
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of JONES R.R. [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2014 8:50 a.m.
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Suitability of iphones as digital compass-clinos -- scary observations
Just to follow-up on Terry's comments, and to reiterate some of our own findings that I posted a few months ago ...
We have carried out quite a lot of systematic testing of the suitability of iPhones as compass-clinos for measuring geological planes - and we have experienced very mixed results.
From our point of view, the good news is that ...
(1) we have managed to get good, repeatable results that are approximately as precise as a set of analogue compass-clinos (Silva liquid filled housings, double spirit-level, no electronics).
(2) once we're up and running, using an iPhone is much quicker than any analogue compass-clino we've used; so ideal for taking large numbers of measurements from a single sampling site (e.g. fracture transects).
(3) we've now taken many, many thousand measurements with iPhones that we believe are within acceptable precision.
The bad news is that ...
(1) if we're not very rigorous in setting-up and calibrating the devices, we usually get randomly bad results.
(2) even if we are very careful, the iPhones sometimes don't self-calibrate properly - so we always cross-check the iPhone against an analogue compass-clino before and after a measurement session.
(3) there's no obvious way of examining the device itself to see whether it's likely to be functioning correctly - you must have another device with which to compare it.
So personally, I'm extremely sceptical of the general validity of any orientation data that have been collected with smartphones - unless the user has documented their calibration procedure carefully, and that the calibration has not relied wholly of the device's own calibration [... or until someone has documented why this isn't necessary].
Based on this, I'd also recommend that any orientation data that are published (or form the basis for interpretations that are published) include a statement on the equipment and method used.
... Of course, perhaps implicit in the above is an assumption that the old non-digital compass-clinos that we've used for years are universally precise, accurate and reliable beyond doubt - which really isn't the case at all.
If we get chance soon, myself and/or colleagues will document all the results of our iPhone testing and put into the public domain, so that it's not just ad-hoc comments on a discussion list. Sorry not to have done it already.
Richard
----------------------------------------------
Richard Jones, Managing Director
Geospatial Research Ltd.
Office Suite 7, Harrison House,
Hawthorn Terrace
Durham DH1 4EL, UK
http://www.geospatial-research.com/
----------------------------------------------
-----Original Message-----
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pavlis, Terry L
Sent: 27 August 2014 20:07
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino--scarey observation
For what it is worth, we did a little experiment at an Earthcube workshop 3 weeks ago. Poorly controlled experiment in that we didn't force people to calibrate their devices. Even with that disclaimer though, the results were very very sobering. I think we tested 7 or 8 devices; a couple iphones and a bunch of android devices. There was a spread of about 60 degrees in strike measurements with none closer than 5 degrees of the known orientation (using standard analog compass, which was also confirmed with a "geoclino device"--not geoclino software on a phone, the pricey Japanese device). Not sure what this means since the experiment wasn't well controlled, but it definitely fits what Midland Valley has been telling us, which is "know your phone". It seems the sensors are basically useless in some of these devices, whereas others can be quite good. Depends on how lucky you are with your device?
Terry Pavlis
-----Original Message-----
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrea Billi
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Roddy,
I join Julia with the same problems and errors.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Ciao
Andrea
Julia Kramer <[log in to unmask]> ha scritto:
> Hi Roddy,
>
>
>
>
>
> do you have any comments/ suggestions on the hardware side for your
> compass app? Neither my nor my colleague's iphone 5S or ipad mini
> produce any reliable measurements. With my ipad mini it is especially
> the northern quadrant that is off by as much as 40 degrees, whereas
> dip directions towards other cardinal directions are quite accurate.
> The iphone is completely useless. I have read that it might be a
> device-specific software problem that is currently being reviewed by
> Apple, but maybe you have already gathered some experience on top of
> what is described in terms of device calibration in your user manual.
>
>
>
> Any advise would be highly appreciated!
>
>
>
> Thank you and kind regards,
>
> Julia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Julia Kramer Bernhard
> Senior Consultant (Structural Geology)
>
> SRK Consulting
> Oceanic Plaza, 22nd Floor, 1066 West Hastings Street Vancouver, BC,
> Canada V6E 3X2
> Tel: +1 604 235 8574
> Mobile: +1 778 995 5330
> Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>; skype:
> Julia.Kramer.Bernhard www.na.srk.com<http://www.na.srk.com/>
> www.linkedin.com/in/juliakramer
> ________________________________
> From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list
> [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Roddy Muir [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:25 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Just a quick note to let you know that we have released four short
> videos explaining how to set up a project, collect data, view and edit
> your data and then export your project from the FieldMove Clino app.
>
> The links to the four films can be found on the FieldMove Clino page
> on the Midland Valley website:
>
> http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino
>
> We hope that you find these useful.
>
> Roddy Muir
> Managing Director
> ________________________________
> Have you upgraded FieldMove Clino to FieldMove Clino Pro?
> For more information:
> www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino<http://www.mve.com/software/fieldm
> oveclino>
> Download from these app stores:
>
> [cid:image001.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fieldmove-clino/id647463813?mt=8> [cid:image002.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mve.fieldmove.clino
> >
>
> Midland Valley Exploration Ltd.
> 2 West Regent Street
> Glasgow G2 1RW
> United Kingdom
> T: +44 (0) 141 332 2681
> F: +44 (0) 141 332 6792
> E: [log in to unmask]
> W: www.mve.com
> [cid:image003.jpg@01CFC202.C27BF360]
>
>
_________________________________________________
Andrea Billi (PhD)
Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche, IGAG, c.o. Dipartimento Scienze della Terra, Sapienza Università di Roma, P.le A. Moro 5, 00185, Rome, Italy.
Phone: +39 06-49914955
Skype: a.billi
Email: [log in to unmask]
Web site: http://www.andreabilli.com
Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/andreabilli68/
_________________________________________________
Dalla Costituzione della Repubblica Italiana Art. 9: "La Repubblica promuove lo sviluppo della cultura e la ricerca scientifica e tecnica."
Art. 33: "L'arte e la scienza sono libere e libero ne è l'insegnamento."
"Non è grave il clamore chiassoso dei violenti, bensì il silenzio spaventoso delle persone oneste." Martin Luther King
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:32:53 +0000
From: "Pavlis, Terry L" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
Someone from midland valley should chime in, but they do have a version of fieldmove that is customized for minerals work, as I recall. Maybe Roddy can comment--but it is the middle of the night in the UK.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Julie Rowland
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:15 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
GV Mapper has an english version. The workflows looked really good with easy movement between map and sections. It appears to be very flexible in terms of project set-up. At under USD3000 + 800 per year maintenance for the professional version it seems like a pretty good option. But obviously fieldmove academic is free. As someone who works on mineral and geothermal systems I was concerned by your comments about the limitations with Fieldmove. But, I am not sure if GV mapper is better, though I suspect it is. Comments from anyone familiar with GV Mapper would be much appreciated.
JR
Dr Julie Rowland
SCHOOL OF ENVIRONMENT
The University of Auckland
Private Bag 92109
Auckland
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New Zealand
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From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Pavlis, Terry L [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2014 9:57 a.m.
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Subject: Re: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
In all honesty, that is the first I had seen GV mapper. It looks interesting, although my bad Spanish made it a bit of a challenge to figure out exactly what all the capabilities of the software were. Hopefully someone will chime in?
Terry
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From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Julie Rowland
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:07 PM
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Subject: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
Hi all - going in a slightly different direction. Terry, thanks for the great info on your link. Have you or anyone else compared GV mapper, from GEOVECTRA, to Fieldmove? I liked what I saw of it in Chile and wondered if someone familiar with both digital mapping options can comment.
JR
Dr Julie Rowland
SCHOOL OF ENVIRONMENT
The University of Auckland
Private Bag 92109
Auckland
1004
New Zealand
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Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2014 8:50 a.m.
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Subject: Suitability of iphones as digital compass-clinos -- scary observations
Just to follow-up on Terry's comments, and to reiterate some of our own findings that I posted a few months ago ...
We have carried out quite a lot of systematic testing of the suitability of iPhones as compass-clinos for measuring geological planes - and we have experienced very mixed results.
From our point of view, the good news is that ...
(1) we have managed to get good, repeatable results that are approximately as precise as a set of analogue compass-clinos (Silva liquid filled housings, double spirit-level, no electronics).
(2) once we're up and running, using an iPhone is much quicker than any analogue compass-clino we've used; so ideal for taking large numbers of measurements from a single sampling site (e.g. fracture transects).
(3) we've now taken many, many thousand measurements with iPhones that we believe are within acceptable precision.
The bad news is that ...
(1) if we're not very rigorous in setting-up and calibrating the devices, we usually get randomly bad results.
(2) even if we are very careful, the iPhones sometimes don't self-calibrate properly - so we always cross-check the iPhone against an analogue compass-clino before and after a measurement session.
(3) there's no obvious way of examining the device itself to see whether it's likely to be functioning correctly - you must have another device with which to compare it.
So personally, I'm extremely sceptical of the general validity of any orientation data that have been collected with smartphones - unless the user has documented their calibration procedure carefully, and that the calibration has not relied wholly of the device's own calibration [... or until someone has documented why this isn't necessary].
Based on this, I'd also recommend that any orientation data that are published (or form the basis for interpretations that are published) include a statement on the equipment and method used.
... Of course, perhaps implicit in the above is an assumption that the old non-digital compass-clinos that we've used for years are universally precise, accurate and reliable beyond doubt - which really isn't the case at all.
If we get chance soon, myself and/or colleagues will document all the results of our iPhone testing and put into the public domain, so that it's not just ad-hoc comments on a discussion list. Sorry not to have done it already.
Richard
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From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pavlis, Terry L
Sent: 27 August 2014 20:07
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Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino--scarey observation
For what it is worth, we did a little experiment at an Earthcube workshop 3 weeks ago. Poorly controlled experiment in that we didn't force people to calibrate their devices. Even with that disclaimer though, the results were very very sobering. I think we tested 7 or 8 devices; a couple iphones and a bunch of android devices. There was a spread of about 60 degrees in strike measurements with none closer than 5 degrees of the known orientation (using standard analog compass, which was also confirmed with a "geoclino device"--not geoclino software on a phone, the pricey Japanese device). Not sure what this means since the experiment wasn't well controlled, but it definitely fits what Midland Valley has been telling us, which is "know your phone". It seems the sensors are basically useless in some of these devices, whereas others can be quite good. Depends on how lucky you are with your device?
Terry Pavlis
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From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrea Billi
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:23 PM
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Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Roddy,
I join Julia with the same problems and errors.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Ciao
Andrea
Julia Kramer <[log in to unmask]> ha scritto:
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> compass app? Neither my nor my colleague's iphone 5S or ipad mini
> produce any reliable measurements. With my ipad mini it is especially
> the northern quadrant that is off by as much as 40 degrees, whereas
> dip directions towards other cardinal directions are quite accurate.
> The iphone is completely useless. I have read that it might be a
> device-specific software problem that is currently being reviewed by
> Apple, but maybe you have already gathered some experience on top of
> what is described in terms of device calibration in your user manual.
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> Subject: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
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> Hi folks,
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> Just a quick note to let you know that we have released four short
> videos explaining how to set up a project, collect data, view and edit
> your data and then export your project from the FieldMove Clino app.
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> The links to the four films can be found on the FieldMove Clino page
> on the Midland Valley website:
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> http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino
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> We hope that you find these useful.
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> Roddy Muir
> Managing Director
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