Hi

I still think all of this misses the point.  Writing with fewer matched phrases is not necessarily better or more effective writing.  Students need to understand not only how to paraphrase, but firstly when and why using the ideas of another is appropriate.  Then they need to make a decision about whether at that point in their writing it is more appropriate to quote, summarise or paraphrase.   Then they need to think about fitting that into their current text and finally, the mechanics of quotation marks, parentheses, etc.

Even at the formative level, Turnitin puts all the focus on the words.  It's the ideas that really matter.

Regards

Diane

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From: Plagiarism [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Quinlan, Nathan
Sent: 25 April 2014 09:42
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Hello all,

I'm a long-time doubter of formative access to Turnitin. Studies like Davis and Carroll (2009) are thorough and very interesting, but what they show is that access to Turnitin helps students to achieve a lower Turnitin score. Furthermore, students do so with the support of one-to-one tutorials. It's not clear whether Tii or the tutorial is the key ingredient (several in this thread have suggested that the tutorial is necessary).  Is there any hard evidence that formative access helps to improve the quality of work, or even understanding of plagiarism, measured in some way independent of Tii?

Anecdotes like Emma's student asking ""What's an OK %" are familiar and consistent with my gut feeling that the Tii becomes a substitute for some real understanding.

Regards
Nathan

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From: Plagiarism [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Emma Duke-Williams [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 25 April 2014 09:18
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On 25 Apr 2014, at 08:54, Mary Davis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I agree with you on this point, Mike. I've also found that the formative use of Turnitin works best in a 1-1 tutorial where the originality reports are discussed and students get some guidance on their decisions about what to revise or not to revise using the reports. Without some guidance, sometimes students think they've just got to reduce or make the colour go away by taking out source material. - at least in my international pg student context.
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> Do other list members have experiences of students using the originality reports successfully on their own?
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> Mary


We also use it formatively, and, like Mary, students need help [lots, often] to know what to do. The most common question I get is "What's an OK %" - many students find it difficult to grasp that 20% from a single source is probably "worse" than 25% comprised of multiple short phrases; equally that 0% is fairly unlikely, as (unless the short phrases are off), as in many industries there are common phrases.
I also tend to point out to students that it's useful to have it enabled (at least at the start) for both the bibliography and for cited sections - as having them similar often indicates they've cited things correctly. Most need 1:1 or small group to help them understand what's going on.

I'd hoped to use it formatively in the peer review mode earlier in the year, but unfortunately our integration with Moodle is such that we don't have access to the peer review mode.

Emma
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