Cheers, Pat.
Bill
On 06/03/2014, at 9:14 PM, Patrick McManus wrote:
> To bogan!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Bill Wootton
> Sent: 06 March 2014 06:17
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: One knacker
>
> Thanks, Doug. The term 'bogan' may get new legs with it being applied to
> paroled Schapelle Corby in Indonesia and her interfering family.
>
> Bill
>
> On 06/03/2014, at 3:27 AM, Douglas Barbour wrote:
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>> Well, I would have thought something along those lines, Bill, but if I've
> heard it before I cant remember (from my times in Oz).
>>
>> You do have tales to tell...
>>
>> Doug
>> On Mar 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Patrick McManus
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> Aha thanks so it's a typical oz-zealander!:-)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> On Behalf Of Bill Wootton
>>> Sent: 05 March 2014 11:31
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: One knacker
>>>
>>> Pat, from our friends at Wiki pee:
>>>
>>> The term bogan (/'bo?g?n/)[1] is Australian and New Zealand slang,
>>> usually pejorative or self-deprecating, for an individual who is
>>> recognised to be from an unsophisticated background or someone whose
>>> speech, clothing, attitude and behaviour exemplify a lack of manners
>>> and education.[2]
>>>
>>> Hadn't thought about the 'bog' element. Heaney no one's idea of a bogan.
> What about a 'to bog (g) an'?
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>> On 5 Mar 2014, at 8:58 pm, Patrick McManus
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A bogan sounds like someone out of an Irish bog (bit like myself in
>>>> fact0
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bill Wootton
>>>> Sent: 05 March 2014 06:20
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: One knacker
>>>>
>>>> Two tinies duly amended, thanks, Max. No idea what happened to Sean.
>>>> The footy coach actually instructed him to 'take out' an opposing
>>>> ruckman from Lalor who was making the difference in the game. Sean
>>>> did but never looked the coach in the eye again. 'Bogan' probably
>>>> does not apply out of Aus but hey, let's see what Patrick and Doug
>>>> make of the term. A 'sleeve' is a single arm's worth of tattoos. I'd
> send a pic but this site won't handle it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>> On 05/03/2014, at 12:04 PM, Max Richards wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> quite a full character sketch, Bill, and from how many years back?
>>>>>
>>>>> [tiny slips:
>>>>> de rigueur
>>>>> and shift hyphen up against sergeant]
>>>>>
>>>>> of course this reader is curious -
>>>>> what became of Sean?
>>>>> and you'd tell us if you knew.
>>>>> Splendid set of false teeth, I trust.
>>>>>
>>>>> [does the word bogan work outside Australia, I wonder?]
>>>>>
>>>>> not sure I can visualise single sleeves.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still a bit shocked at the coach's yell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Max
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/03/2014, at 8:06 AM, Bill Wootton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One knacker
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Illiterate Sean, with his goofy
>>>>>> grin, both arms scraggily
>>>>>> tattooed above lanky wrists
>>>>>> (before single sleeves
>>>>>> became bogan de rigeur),
>>>>>> you wanted on your side.
>>>>>> Sean, that loosest
>>>>>> of Watsonia cannons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cranky and snap-violent,
>>>>>> punctual only by accident,
>>>>>> lacking customary restraints,
>>>>>> tight grey-panted Sean,
>>>>>> to those in the know,
>>>>>> was a testicle light
>>>>>> but a ballsier leader
>>>>>> you'd struggle to find.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bursting through the centre
>>>>>> with the damp footy
>>>>>> one Greensborough winter,
>>>>>> kicking the sealer,
>>>>>> he inspired the coach
>>>>>> to yell, Go One-Knacker.
>>>>>> Sean shook his head
>>>>>> afterwards. Don't do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A product of 9D,
>>>>>> legendarily unteachable,
>>>>>> reaching year 11
>>>>>> on tech school
>>>>>> automatic promotion,
>>>>>> Sean toothlessly offered
>>>>>> to assist three of us
>>>>>> teachers last period Friday
>>>>>>
>>>>>> when fifteen-year olds
>>>>>> get a whiff of weekend.
>>>>>> We stood back
>>>>>> while Sean sergeant
>>>>>> -majored kids to seats,
>>>>>> cocked an eye at us
>>>>>> and rasped: Don't forget
>>>>>> to all do your homework.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bw
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> Douglas Barbour
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