Dear Klaus,
Many thanks for your clarification.
I'm trying to work out whether and if there is any fundamental difference
between an 'entwurf' and a 'design' (seen as a specification for something
that is made or done).
Your description aligns with that of the definition of entwurf in Wiktionary
and that also describes 'entwurf' as a nominalisation of 'design'
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Entwurf).
Is an 'entwurf' the same as a 'design' (defined as a specification)? Or
is there some key difference I'm not seeing?
Best wishes,
Terry
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in practical terms, an "entwurf" is a drawing or depiction of something, but
also a law before it is enacted.
there is also a verb: "entwerfen" and actor that does it, an "entwerfer", a
draftsman or designer "gestaltung", "gestalter" and "gestalt" carries the
baggage of visual holism klaus
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Dear Klaus,
Apologies for my naivety and lack of understanding.
Wondering what is the process to bridge between the creation of an 'entwurf'
and the physical mass manufacturing of an object (or delivery of a service
etc)?
What does an entwurf look like?
Best regards,
Terry
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the product of a "gestalter" is an "entwurf", something "thrown out of one's
body".
klaus
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> On Jan 29, 2014, at 20:16, "Terence Love" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hi Don and all,
>
> Wondering, would the output of the activity of a Gestalter be a 'design'?
> (Still seems easiest to define the activity of design as 'making a
> design')
>
> The idea of Gelstantung seems to be very similar to that of Systems
> design. Ditto Don's description of design thinking
>
> In which case, is what we are seeing simply an increasing shift
> towards systems design approaches and away from more traditional ways
> of
designing?
>
> Some years ago, Marcia Salner form the field of Systems suggested
> 'systems thinking' required what she called an 'epistemic shift' in a
> person's way of understanding over and beyond learning and using
> systems methods and models. She pointed out that it took a few years
> of learning and using systems methods before one understood the world
> as systems and that this change was the epistemic shift necessary for
> systems thinking. Until that point, people merely learned and used
> systems methods and theories, did systems analyses and created system
> designs. In other words, she was suggesting it wasn't possible to
> describe systems thinking in terms of activities. Perhaps this also
applies to design thinking?
>
> Best wishes,
> Terry
>
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