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Re: transgender and paganism

From:

mandrake <[log in to unmask]>

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Society for The Academic Study of Magic <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:19:13 +0000

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Dear Friend

Do you really find Germaine Greer "problematic and hateful anti 
transgender rhetoric" ?
It's a long time since i looked but I thought in The Female Eunuch, 
which admittedly is for way back when,
she said transgendered should be accepted as women ?
Which is a remarkable advanced for its time and an idea that some pagans 
still find problematic - ie priestesses who weren't born as women

The pagan and magical movement has certainly been on a jourmey since the 
1960s in abandoning its former
bias - homophobia and transphobia (i hope i played, and continue to 
play, a small part in that that change through my own slim volume on 
sexual magick)

I suspect one of the attractions of the cult of Seth is in  the ambisexual

senebty


Mogg




as somehow supporting points in the book. Thankfully time, research, and 
good scholarship moves on and these books are falling into obscurity. 
You might look at the writings of Raven Kaldera who is himself intersex 
and deals specifically with gender variance in Paganism or even Rachel 
Pollack (78 Degrees of Wison, tarot author) who is a transgender woman. 
Her experience with paganism and gender informed much of her writing in 
comics, which in turn influenced Grant Morrisson (who sadly still 
managed to turn out a poorly researched and borderline offensive trope 
of a trans* female shaman in his book Invisibles). Rachel Pollack 
directly dealt with the intersections between gender identity and 
spirituality in her run of the comic book Doom Patrol. She created the 
first transgender super hero in a mainstream comic book - Coagula... 
needless to say there is a lot of Alchemical influence in the book as 
well. With regards to Randy Connor's "Blossom of Bone" he has since said 
the language he used is extremely disrespectful to transgender people 
and if it went to another edition he would correct it. Bear that in mind 
when using it as a source. Also, just as a sidenote to some other 
posters here. It is never correct to refer to someone as 
"transgendered." For example "the transgendered ritualists in Northern 
Europe" should be worded "the transgender identified ritualists in 
Northern Europe." If you need to specify the gender identity of the 
ritualist you would say "the female (or male) identified transgender 
ritualists in Northern Europe." You can say transgender men or 
transgender women but please don't say "transgendered." :) Ethan, thank 
you for the lead on Dr Christine Hoff Kraemer. I have downloaded her 
article on Pantheacon and plan to read it tonight. I hope some of that 
is helpful. Best Wishes, Maddie On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 11:45 AM, George 
Hansen <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>> Dear Dr. Velkoborska:
>>
>> Regarding "theoretical background dealing with" "the problem of
>> transgender and paganism and perhaps shamanism, or even religion in
>> general" you might consider examining the work on binary oppositions,
>> liminality, and anti-structure.  Work in structural anthropology from the
>> 1960s and 1970s might be useful.
>>
>> Strong liminality, like pure charisma, is associated with supernatural
>> power.  Liminality is associated with blurring and/or reversal of major
>> binary oppositions such as heaven-earth, god-human, life-death,
>> male-female, human-beast.  Shamans, and religion in general, have
>> traditionally dealt with that liminal, betwixt-and-between domain.  The
>> works of Victor Turner, and especially Edmund Leach, provide insight.
>>
>> Liminal areas have always been associated with rituals and taboos.  As
>> you are almost certainly aware, there are strongly enforced taboos within
>> academe against seriously considering the reality supernatural forces.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> George P. Hansen
>>
>> Author: The Trickster and the Paranormal
>> http://www.tricksterbook.com
>>
>> https://twitter.com/ParaTrickster
>>
>> http://paranormaltrickster.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>    ------------------------------
>>   *From:* Mgr. Kamila VELKOBORSKA Ph.D. <[log in to unmask]>
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:52 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] transgender and paganism
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> could you, please, recommend some relevant texts dealing with the problem
>> of transgender and paganism and perhaps shamanism, or even religion in
>> general. I´ve got rich fieldwork data but almost no theoretical background,
>> dealing with gender for the first time.
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>>
>> Kamila Velkoborská
>> University of West Bohemia
>> Czech Republic
>>
>>
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 11:45 AM, George Hansen <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> Dear Dr. Velkoborska:
>>
>> Regarding "theoretical background dealing with" "the problem of
>> transgender and paganism and perhaps shamanism, or even religion in
>> general" you might consider examining the work on binary oppositions,
>> liminality, and anti-structure.  Work in structural anthropology from the
>> 1960s and 1970s might be useful.
>>
>> Strong liminality, like pure charisma, is associated with supernatural
>> power.  Liminality is associated with blurring and/or reversal of major
>> binary oppositions such as heaven-earth, god-human, life-death,
>> male-female, human-beast.  Shamans, and religion in general, have
>> traditionally dealt with that liminal, betwixt-and-between domain.  The
>> works of Victor Turner, and especially Edmund Leach, provide insight.
>>
>> Liminal areas have always been associated with rituals and taboos.  As
>> you are almost certainly aware, there are strongly enforced taboos within
>> academe against seriously considering the reality supernatural forces.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> George P. Hansen
>>
>> Author: The Trickster and the Paranormal
>> http://www.tricksterbook.com
>>
>> https://twitter.com/ParaTrickster
>>
>> http://paranormaltrickster.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>    ------------------------------
>>   *From:* Mgr. Kamila VELKOBORSKA Ph.D. <[log in to unmask]>
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:52 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] transgender and paganism
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> could you, please, recommend some relevant texts dealing with the problem
>> of transgender and paganism and perhaps shamanism, or even religion in
>> general. I´ve got rich fieldwork data but almost no theoretical background,
>> dealing with gender for the first time.
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>>
>> Kamila Velkoborská
>> University of West Bohemia
>> Czech Republic
>>
>>

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