Dear MP

Oh dear Oh dear!

This is precisely what I did not say.  I was not quoting Simon, but explaining what I think he said, which is that OUTSIDE of graphic design or furniture design or product design or XXX design, outside of these typically "design" arenas, as long as there is the shaping of reality towards a preferred state of affiars, then these designs might have some common notion which merits fillingin a common theory of design so that musicians and architects can have a fruitful (Simon believes) conversation about their common activity. 

You cannot just count my words or fit my words together and take them for face-value, else you will certainly misread me, as you just have. What do I mean - that is the question.  And so also SImon. I am not sure how counting the number of times he uses a word really helps us understand Simon, honestly.  If you count how many times Aristotle uses the word abstraction you will find that it is zero, but even thpough only abot 100 years later when Alexander coined the term, scholars would suggest that understanding how Aristotle unpacked the intellection of universals suggests strongly that he had "abstraction" more or less in mind.  That's just an example. Nor will you find abduction in the scholastics, untile CS Perice, but you will find as early as the portugeuse Jean Poinsot or John of St Thomas in the 1600s talk about ascending induction, which on close inspection turns out to be the same thing.  You just cannot read by counting the number of times a word is used. You must move beyond the sensibles, towards the intelligibles - what I mean.

In fact i am myself surprised that he mentions graphic design as many as 5 times! I had no idea he ever mentioned it.  I thought he did not at all. But that is precisely why I refered to it: to show that he was talking not merely of the kind of professional designing like graphic design (and now you tell me he is, which is interesting) but of a kind of common designerly knowing in EVEN those arenas outside of these professionally recognised design fields.

Jude


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Dear friends

A very limited point at this stage.

Jude's statement quoted by Jean states that Graphic and Furniture Design may be referred to by Simon. My reading shows that the part word Graphic (graphic, graphical and graphically) appears 5 times in the whole book and Furniture 2 times, and in none of these cases he refers to the design discipline as claimed in the quote.

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> One of the exciting things, Simon says, is that design is something  common in various arenas outside of say graphic or furniture design, and so relevant in ways that graphic designer may not envisage, and THEREFORE a case may be made for the university to TEACH DESIGN (specially design focally understood, not design willly nilly) AS part of the Core of the curriculum, say as part of one's liberal (arts) education in a university.
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More when I post my semantic analysis of Simon's book, the third edition, that is.

With warm regards

M P Ranjan
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3 September 2013 at 8.10 pm ist
National Institute of Education (Singapore) http://www.nie.edu.sg

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