Hi, from the sunny hills of eastern algarve far away from my office, i will give a very limited contribution for the ongoing debate.
Let's get back to Simon's definition of design which, i think, is one of the causes of all these problems. He writes: (i'm quoting from heart or maybe from another gut) "not only engineers design. Everyone, etc courses of action bla, bla and then lists a few professions that use design from which Design is excluded. So, in HS' s Sciences of the Artificial, this is a issue (design thinking) between engineers and the rest of all professions with one exception: designers. The text is still the same in the fourth edition so it seems that Simon deliberatly forgot to include designers among the professionals that design even in the late 20th century. Having in his live passed through Chicago, one would expect that HS would at least give some credit to the New Bauhaus but the only mention to Design by designers (apart from urban planning) in the book, is an interesting conversation with Mies Van der Rohe about cigars and riesling wine...
So I would discard HS definition, it comes from someone that is either ignorant of what design is socially and historicaly or deliberatly choses to ignore it.
Also because of this:
"Europeans, of course, especially Germans and French, have always considered imaginative writers to be intellectuals (something we Americans find puzzling, sometimes intimidating). The route to European literary greatness with some large exceptions still nominally requires erudition, a familiarity with history and the achievements of the ancients".
Richard Ford's introduction to "the granta book of the american long story", 1998.
Why to I find pertinent this quotation?
First because that's the book I'm reading. Secondly. Because someone compared writting with design. thirdly because if you substitute European for Some of us, and Germans and French for this person and that person, and writers for designers, european literary greatness by Design uniqueness, you will have a very good depiction of this discussions.
One of the reasons higher education on design is important is that you have to READ Design for a few years. By reading Design, I mean to acknowledge its history and its intellectual dimension during the period of your live when you are suposed to learn things in a socially organised manner.
Thus, a designer educated as such is someone not only tchnically prepared to be responsible for some projects by also someone who has been prepared to be part of a genealogy of social ontology discrete from others that was legitimated by time.
Part of this discretion runs on Drawing but discussing this will make this post longer than the Lord of Vcations will allow.
Also from Literature, for the ones interested in academia, i sugest the reading of "Stoner" by John williams.
Cheers from vacations time
Eduardo
eduardo corte-real
IADE - U , lisbon, portugal
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Em 23/08/2013, às 08:28, Terence Love <[log in to unmask]> escreveu:
> Hi Gavin,
> How about one stage further? How about a presentation to the Pope to create
> a religious order of designers? Vows and all...
> The colour of the vestments should be ok :-)
> All the best,
> Terry
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> Wow!
> Lets extend that a little further and separate the grain from the chaff.
> A profession of Epistemologically Valid Designers.
> Over to you Terry,
> best wishes,
> Gavin
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