medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
is there sufficient textual evidence for "deacon" instead of "dean", as
the PL has it repeatedly? Is the translation based on a new critical
edition?
Best, Herwig
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> Many thanks, James and Christopher. I was principally concerned with whether deacons might have preached, and it seems they did.
> Cheers,
> Jim
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> Subject: Re: [M-R] preaching in cathedrals
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> thanks for re-starting this string, James.
>
> i had tried to respond soon after Jim's initial query but apparently The
> ListMommie's softwhere didn't care for my comments and they was bounced,
> repeatedly.
>
> i'll try again.
>
> From: James Bugslag <[log in to unmask]>
>
>> ....what sort of persons would normally deliver sermons in a cathedral (I'm
> thinking of the 12th and 13th centuries). In particular, would it include
> both priests and deacons?
>
>
> Jim, as it happens [sic!] i just this morning came across a section in
> Guibert of Nogent's treatise "On the Saints and their Relics" wherein he
> mentions a certain Erlebald, "deacon of Cambrai" who "had been the chief
> guardian of the church and who also **in his many sermons, delivered to people
> everywhere** in order to demonstrate the fruit of true confession..."
>
> http://tinyurl.com/bj9ajy2
>
> the new translation does not follow that of of the PL ed., which is the one
> most easily available:
>
> [PL 156.619C]
>
> In Cameracensi Ecclesia, ante hoc ferme biennium decanus, qui et summus
> aedituus templi fuerat, cui Erlebaldus nomen erat, qui in multis quos
> circumquaque faciebat ad populum sermonibus, ad fructum verae confessionis
> ostendendum....
>
>
> G. assures us that Erlebald "had been in the priesthood, where he had
> distinguished himself, and was especially close to me in friendship because
> of his abundant knowledge of scripture."
>
> [156.619E]
> Fuit autem homo iste cum sacerdotio, quo fulgebat, et in Scripturae scientia
> copiosus, et mihi valde amicitia affinis....
>
>
> Guibert is all-too-often an unbelievably Insufferable, Self-Righteous old
> Fussbudget, but it is clear from this passage that Deacons were permitted to
> give sermons, at least in the Diocese of Cambrai (including perhaps in the
> cathedral?), at least c. 1100.
>
> c
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