medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
I think we decided (on more than one occasion) that the concept of
"deconsecrating" doesn't actually exist...
John Briggs
On 01/04/2013 15:51, Cormack, Margaret Jean wrote:
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> "laicization" sounds odd, but "deconsecrating" is is probably what I
> will use!
>
> Meg
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> It may be anomalous but I seem to remember that the priests and
> religious who left to get married in the 1970s were 'laicized'. Would
> this express the deconsecrating nature of what happened?
> Rosemary Hayes
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> Thanks, but excommunication would have been expressed otherwise. It
> also does not result in death at the stake! I am trying to find out
> what happened to religious when they were handed over to the secular
> arm for punishment.
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> Meg
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> As far as I know, only priests could (can) be "defrocked." The nun
> in question would certainly have had to be excommunicated for the
> offenses she was supposed to have committed, and to undergo the
> punishment she received, so I'd go with that term. All best,
>
> Agnes
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> Agnes Ecsedy
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> PhD Student, Dept. of English, University of Toronto
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> Hello!
>
> Could we say she was "defrocked"? That's the first thing that sprung
> to my mind, with regards to current Church practices, but I am not
> sure this is the vocabulary used for the medieval Church.
>
> Cheers, Marjorie
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> > Greetings all,
> >
> > I´m wondering if 'degrade' is the correct very to use for
> removing
> > someone from ecclesiastical status - in this case, a nun, and
> the word
> > used in my (Icelandic) text is in fact an Icelandicized form
> of Latin
> > 'degradere' (with appropriate verbal ending, I haven´t looked
> it up). I´m
> > wondering how we would express this today? The reason for her
> demotion
> > (could I say she was 'demoted'?) was blasphemy against the
> pope (in later
> > versions, signing a pact with the devil and sleeping with
> many men) and
> > afterwards she was burned. All this in 1343, the first
> example of anyone
> > being burned for anything in Iceland.
> >
> > Meg
> >
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