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Re: journal ranking impact study

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Nigel Waters <[log in to unmask]>

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Great post, Larry.

And to emphasize the point the BBC website is today carrying a story on Mary Cartwright:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21713163 

whose work during WWII led to the foundations of chaos theory. Freeman Dyson is quoted in the article as suggesting that her work took a generation to be appreciated:

"Freeman Dyson maintains that this is a classic example of the way in which real mathematical originality and innovation is missed until a generation after the work has been done..".

Cheers,

Nigel 

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Hi all, This post is about a piece on mathbabe's blog and it concerns a study of journal ranking and its impact in science, jocularly called "Deep Impact". Here is the link to mathbabe's post. http://mathbabe.org/2013/03/08/unintended-consequences-of-journal-ranking/ I have also included a copy of the article she is talking about as an attachment for convenience in case you wish to peruse the source. The reference section is quite long. Mathbabe, aka Cathy O'Neil, summarizes the research but the gist of the piece is that there have been incredibly few scientific or statistical studies where the conclusions drawn use the data relevant to it. I don't find this surprising, as in the UK, this has become nothing more than an ideological stick to beat university workers with. Unsurprisingly, the authors have discovered that using such tools as this to assess scientific work to be bad practice. It certainly isn't scientific. The impact of a journal or an article in many fields may take as long as ten years to have a significant impact, particularly if it is original. It certainly isn't within the time frame used by government. Another point made by the authors is the incidence of what others have called scientific fraud. These others have focused on the collusion of some of the journals in this -- especially those that don't regulate their content very well. Some journals refuse to retract articles even if it has been found to be fraudulent. One of the conclusions the authors reach is that the entire publishing model needs to be reformed. This will not be a surprise to many of you. The authors didn't study the refereeing process. A number of senior academics, mathematicians being among the most involved, contend that the process has become virtually completely corrupted and they now refuse to either publish in certain journals or publish in any of them at all, preferring to publish in an arXive. Some of them unsurprisingly are also open access activists. At the end of her post, where she notes that the authors advocate a new kind of publishing platform, she provides a link to the Episciences Project, which is an undertaking to take commercial publishers out of the publishing loop without sacrificing sound peer review and do it at low cost (although the server costs are not small). The Episciences Project is based at Cornell, but there are similar projects in Germany and France. Happy reading, larry Dr L Brownstein [Alt-e] [log in to unmask] Review Editor Radical Statistics ****************************************************** Please note that if you press the 'Reply' button your message will go only to the sender of this message. If you want to reply to the whole list, use your mailer's 'Reply-to-All' button to send your message automatically to [log in to unmask] Disclaimer: The messages sent to this list are the views of the sender and cannot be assumed to be representative of the range of views held by subscribers to the Radical Statistics Group. To find out more about Radical Statistics and its aims and activities and read current and past issues of our newsletter you are invited to visit our web site www.radstats.org.uk. ******************************************************* ****************************************************** Please note that if you press the 'Reply' button your message will go only to the sender of this message. If you want to reply to the whole list, use your mailer's 'Reply-to-All' button to send your message automatically to [log in to unmask] Disclaimer: The messages sent to this list are the views of the sender and cannot be assumed to be representative of the range of views held by subscribers to the Radical Statistics Group. To find out more about Radical Statistics and its aims and activities and read current and past issues of our newsletter you are invited to visit our web site www.radstats.org.uk. *******************************************************

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