I agree, jeanne is an important contact. I experienced them working together
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On Mar 27, 2013, at 7:29 AM, "Chris Heape" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Erik,
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> Sounds like a great project.
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> One of the people who worked very closely with Donald Schøn was / is Jeanne Bamberger. Maybe you know her.
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> I've just found her e.mail on the MIT website http://web.mit.edu/jbamb/www/ so I imagine she is still with us.
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> When I last spoke to her in 2004 or 2005 I think it was, she showed me some notes that Donald Schøn and she had used to plan the workshops / experiments that are mentioned in the paper they wrote together:
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> Bamberger, J., & Schön Donald, A. (1991). Learning as Reflective Conversation with Materials.
> In F. Steier (Ed.), Research and Reflexivity. London: Sage.
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> If I remember correctly the notes were about the role of artifacts.
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> She is a wonderful person to talk to and has many a fine anecdote about Donal Schøn.
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> Maybe you should contact her.
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> Best,
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> Chris.
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> On 27 Mar 2013, at 01:13, Erik Stolterman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Hi Don and list
>>
>> To be honest, I might have had more than "one problem" :-)
>> I do appreciate your comment on why you quoted Moggridge, and I agree with
>> you. He deserves a tribute as a thinker that manifested a designerly way of
>> thinking and doing.
>>
>> As someone who has over the years read Donald Schon (and might some day
>> write a book about his contributions to practice and design philosophy), I
>> really appreciate your note on drawing. Schon examined the intricate, rich
>> and complex relationship between imagination (inside our minds and
>> thoughts) and the real (manifestations and representations in some physical
>> form). His thoughts on this are, in my view, still most insightful and
>> valuable. So, I am looking forward to read your thoughts about that topic.
>>
>> [As a side note, if someone has some unknown writings by Schon I would be
>> very happy to get a copy or a reference. I think I have all his books, some
>> which are difficult to find today, but I miss a lot of his smaller papers
>> and articles.]
>>
>> Erik Stolterman
>> http://transground.blogspot.com/
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>>
>> *---------------------------------------------------
>> Erik Stolterman*
>> *Professor in Informatics*
>> *School of Informatics and Computing*
>> *Indiana University, Bloomington
>> *http://transground.blogspot.com/
>> <http://www.organizationaldesigncompetence.com/>
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>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Don Norman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> Just a short note to thank the several of you on this list (among others)
>>> who have commented on my "Rethinking Design Thinking" article.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Elizabeth, for the pointer to Lucy's article entitled, hmm,
>>> "Rethinking Design Thinking," an article i am sorry to say, I had not known
>>> about. It certainly would have been helpful to me had I read it before i
>>> wrote my own article.
>>>
>>> And thanks, Erik, for your comments. You say "I have one problem with
>>> Norman's new position though." Really? Only one? Hell, I can list several
>>> other problems that I have (and I suspect you do too.)
>>>
>>> I agree with your critique. In writing my piece I hesitated a lot before
>>> trying to describe what I thought design thinking was because not only did
>>> my brief introduction leave out a lot that I thought to be critical, but i
>>> also knew that many good design thinkers would not agree with my
>>> overly-specific definition (and that i would probably agree with their
>>> disagreement). I was also concerned that my quotation from Moggridge
>>> would cause some to believe I was an IDEO partisan who did not admit to any
>>> other possible approach to design. Not true: I quoted Bill because I
>>> thought the quote appropriate, and also as a small tribute to his
>>> contributions to the practice. Still, in the end, i thought that the
>>> diverse readership would require some definition.
>>>
>>> I also agree that design thinking is really a framework or point of view
>>> that inspires critical analysis of the problem and its possible solutions.
>>>
>>> On a side note, I have long struggled to understand the roles that
>>> thinking, knowing, representing (via words, sketches, and models), and
>>> doing have on the creative process. I'm contemplating a short essay for
>>> this list on drawing and sketching, one that does not propose answers but
>>> rather lists some of the questions that need answering. Drawing is a much
>>> under-appreciateds tool for thought. Or perhaps, drawing is a mode of
>>> thought.
>>>
>>> Don
>>> www.jnd.org
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