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From: Aaron Hope <[log in to unmask]>
> A good analysis of the financial data in Eudes Rigaud's register (and much
else besides) can be found in Adam Davis' study: "The Holy Bureaucrat: Eudes
Rigaud and Religious Reform in Thirteenth-Century Normandy" (Cornell UP,
2006).
as mentioned previously, partially legible on books.google.com
http://tinyurl.com/c4ub8jj
however, i see nothing in that snippet which might answer the simple
questions: "Owed"? To Whom??
when the first printed edition of the whole ms. came out, Léopold Delisle did
a longish review/summary of it
Delisle Léopold. "Le clergé normand au treizième siècle, d'après le
journal des visites pastorales d'Eude Rigaud, archevêque de Rouen
(1248-1269)," Bibliothèque de l'école des chartes. 1847, tome 8. pp.
479-499.
http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/bec_0373-6237_1847_num_8_1_452088
but, he doesn't answer the question either.
however, he does have a few words to say about the original subject of this
string --the books which he encountered in his visitations:
[491ff]
"Non-seulement la plupart des abbayes manquent de ces livres d'étude, mais
encore souvent se trouvent-elles en défaut pour les livres les plus
nécessaires aux exercices religieux. Beaucoup de couvents n'ont pas un seul
exemplaire de la règle ou des statuts de Grégoire IX. Cependant on eût dû
en lire un fragment [492] chaque jour après prime. Au prieuré d'Ouville ,
cette lecture devait se faire pendant le repas (2). L'usage de lire au
réfectoire était général dans les couvents ; à cet effet , un pupitre
(lectrinum) était disposé dans la salle. A Séez, ce meuble fut trouvé
défectueux ; il ne permettait pas à la voix d'arriver distinctement à
l'oreille des chanoines. Le livre qui servait aux lectures du
réfectoire s'appelait légende; sans doute que par là on en tendait un
recueil de vies de saints dans le genre de la Légende dorée dont la
rédaction est à peu près contemporaine d'Eude Rigaud.
Les livres de choeur, tels que missels , graduels , antiphonaires et
psautiers, étaient, ainsi que les ornements et les vases sacrés , dans un
assez triste état. Ainsi , un chapelain du chapitre Saint-Melon, à Pontoise
, ne célébrait point dans cette église, faute de missel. L'archevêque lui
enjoignit de s'en pourvoir au plus tôt , ou d'avoir un manuel avec lequel il
pût célébrer , au
moins quatre fois par semaine.
Le fait suivant nous révèle l'indifférence des religieux pour leur
bibliothèque. Dans une des plus riches abbayes du diocèse de Rouen, à
Saint-Georges de Baucherville, il n'y avait pas même une bible pour lire: Non
habebant bonam bibliam ad legendum, dit l'archevêque en 1261; et l'année
suivante il est encore obligé de consigner pareille observation sur son
registre: Non habebant
bibliam ad legendum.
so much for TBob's "a bible in every church."
c
> > Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:34:44 -0400
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [M-R] Odo Rigaud @ L'Aigle [<Vulgate in England]
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> >
> > From: Pat Cullum <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> > > I doubt this is about tithes.
> >
> > me, too.
> >
> > mainly because i've never heard of an ecclesiastical institution *owing*
> > tithes (to whom??) --only *being owed* tithes.
> >
> > >It is a statement of their overall finances in a particular year.
> >
> > would seem to be.
> >
> > >Their total income is c.250 li.
> >
> > this is what might be expected to be the total income of a relatively
> > prosperous priory --which St. Suplice-sur-Risle (L'Aigle) certainly was,
since
> > its foundation in the late 10th c.
> >
> > i've got an 1155 confirmation charter by the local lord which is one of
the
> > most extensive and detailed i have ever seen --*lots* of property, old
and
> > new, outlined in that charter, probably confirmed, at least in part, to
secure
> > the income for the mother house, which was in the middle of a massive
building
> > campaign:
> >
> > http://mappinggothic.org/building/1091
> >
> > http://mappinggothic.org/image/42160
> >
> > the earliest _pouille_ for the diocese of Evreux that i can find dates
from
> > 1370
> >
> > http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5917m.r=.langEN
> >
> > and it doesn't mention the total "value" of this priory.
> >
> > however, it does mention the amount which is owed for "procuration"
(debentes
> > procurationes), which is "7 grossos" (whatever that is)
> >
> > http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5917m/f260.image.r=.langEN
> >
> > but 100 pounds (per year?) owed for procuration alone would seem to be a
> > *huge* amount, so it couldn't be that, could it?
> >
> > here's a typical page of procuration rates owed (from another diocese,
picked
> > at random)
> >
> > http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5917m/f231.image.r=.langEN]
> >
> > 53 s. per annum.
> >
> > take a while to get to 100 pounds, at that rate.
> >
> > it's not procuration fees.
> >
> > >Their accumulated debts which may be to multiple individuals/institutions
and
> > may have been acquired over more than one year, but as the indication of
other
> > years shows, debts could be incurred and paid over quite short periods of
> > time.
> >
> >
> > giving these figures for the amount owed seems to be a quite common
element of
> > Odo's visitation records --many, many houses had such debts, great and
small.
> >
> > as i say, gives the impression that the whole damned Province of Rouen
was
> > living on the cuff, spending their borrowed money on feather beds, meat
and
> > linen shirts.
> >
> > >So in one year the house owes money and in another money may be owed to
it.
> > In an economy where there was limited liquidity, debts were common.
Building
> > campaigns or the purchase of fine liturgical goods could be expensive.
Equally
> > monastic houses might, if they did have cash reserves, sometimes lend
them.
> > Hence, perhaps, money owed to the house.
> >
> >
> > anything is possible, i suppose, but it doesn't seem to me that these are
> > records of "ordinary" debts --or, for that matter, of extraordinary ones,
like
> > for building campaigns.
> >
> > what they are, however, is another question entirely.
> >
> > many thanks for the thoughts, Pat.
> >
> > c
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:37:40 -0400
> > > From: Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Odo Rigaud @ L'Aigle [<Vulgate in England]
> > >
> > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
culture
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > no one here has an idea about what
> > >
> > > "They have an income of 250 pounds; they owe about a hundred pounds"
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > > "They have an income of 250 pounds; more was owed to them than they
owed"
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > > "They had an income of about 300 pounds"
> > >
> > > might mean?
> > >
> > > c
> > >
> > >
> > >
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