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Re: JSTOR & Swartz' legacy

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Nigel Waters <[log in to unmask]>

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Nigel Waters <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:33:09 -0500

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I thought that the list would be interested to read the story that appeared in today's Washington Post on making all US federally funded research universally available after 1 year: Here's the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/white-house-moves-to-make-federally-funded-research-open-to-the-public/2013/02/22/e2de59fc-7d22-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_story.html 

Obviously not everything that one might wish for but it is a start.

Nigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "the.Duke.of.URL" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 2:03 pm
Subject: Re: JSTOR

> Hi John,
> 
> The impact factor. The biggest piece of bs in this entire 
> exercise. The 
> impact of a piece of research may not be felt for years, 
> especially if 
> it is ahead of its time. The Nobel committee knows this but not 
> some 
> university bureaucrats when it comes to promoting some poor person 
> on 
> the basis of this bs requirement.
> 
> This is managerialism, the rationalization of bureaucracy, gone 
> wild, 
> though not as wild as in the US government. David Owen, a 
> certified 
> psychiatrist who as far as I know never really practiced, though 
> that is 
> beside the point, wrote a book not that many years ago called In 
> Sickness and in Power. His argument was that a very large number 
> of 
> people in positions of great power were mentally ill. And these 
> weren’t 
> just politicians. It seems that sometimes it was the office they 
> held 
> that brought on the illness - for instance, it appeared to make 
> Blair 
> hubristic in the extreme, though not as badly as with Bush Jr and 
> Cheney. Cheney used to be driven around Washington with a gas mask 
> on 
> the seat beside him in his car. Either this is a complex charade 
> or 
> there is/was something wrong with Cheney psychologically. This is 
> not 
> normal behavior. Any clinical psychologist will tell you this.
> 
> Of course, it could be argued that we live in unnormal times. And 
> indeed 
> we do. If anyone thinks it is bad here, it is worse across the 
> pond. If 
> you think the Nixon administration was terrible, and it was, I 
> would 
> advise a closer look at the Obama administration. And I want to 
> support 
> him and believe that he will in the end do the right thing.
> 
> Sorry. Didn't mean to go on. It is just that the impact factor, 
> publish 
> or perish, and some of the craziness of some of our politicians 
> and 
> business leaders all appear to be part of the mix of some 
> authoritarian 
> bureaucratic impetus pushing us further and further in a 
> particular 
> ideologically biased direction. I don't think it is too bad here 
> yet, 
> but I may not be the best person to make such a judgment.
> 
> Larry
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "John Urquhart" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: 06/02/2013 15:45:35
> Subject: Re: JSTOR
> >No, not at all. Scientists have to 'publish or perish'. The advent
> >of such criteria as impact factor has only accentuated this trend.
> >
> >Best wishes,
> >
> >John Urquhart
> >
> >On 1 February 2013 15:46, Martin Rathfelder 
> <[log in to unmask]> 
> >wrote:
> >>  What sort of contract is involved. Are scientists paid by the 
> >>journals?
> >>
> >>  On 01/02/13 12:22, John Urquhart wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Aaron Swartz's death has drawn attention to a fundamental 
> problem in
> >>>  society, namely the use of copyright to restrict the flow of
> >>>  information. The irony is that all those scientists who want 
> their>>>  work to be disseminated as widely as possible have 
> joined a system
> >>>  which forbids them to communicate their peer-reviewed articles
> >>>  electronically for free. Aaron Swartz was trying to break the
> >>>  societal division which allowed only members of academic 
> >>>institutions
> >>>  to have direct free access to the world's store of knowledge.
> >>>
> >>>  The solution lies in scientists' negotiating the right to 
> >>>disseminate
> >>>  their peer reviewed articles, say, six months after being 
> published 
> >>>in
> >>>  a journal. Paradoxically, this would actually increase 
> subscriptions>>>  and the signal value of a particular journal 
> that agreed to this
> >>>  request. Six months is a long enough period to take into 
> account the
> >>>  insatiable curiosity of those looking for new knowledge, but 
> short>>>  enough to enable considered research to reassess the 
> original>>>  information by having access to original scientific 
> articles. 
> >>>Without
> >>>  this kind of solution, 97% of the general population is 
> excluded 
> >>>from
> >>>  meaningful scientific debate, and has to rely mainly on 
> filtered 
> >>>press
> >>>  releases.
> >>>
> >>>  John Urquhart
> >>>
> >>>  On 21 January 2013 18:48, the.Duke.of.URL 
> <[log in to unmask]> 
> >>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Dear John,
> >>>>
> >>>>  While I completely sympathize with your point of view, I 
> don't 
> >>>>think it
> >>>>  is
> >>>>  the case that Swartz 'hacked' into JSTOR. He just did 
> something for 
> >>>>which
> >>>>  neither MIT nor they were prepared. He appears to have had 
> >>>>legitimate
> >>>>  access
> >>>>  to the archive. It is usually impractical for the average 
> user of 
> >>>>JSTOR
> >>>>  to
> >>>>  download about half a million documents. He obviously had no 
> >>>>intention of
> >>>>  reading them all. Therefore, they could not have been for 
> his own
> >>>>  personal
> >>>>  use. JSTOR appears to have been operating under such an 
> assumption. 
> >>>>And
> >>>>  were
> >>>>  caught out.
> >>>>
> >>>>  MIT's role in this is a lot more cloudy. They claim to be 
> >>>>investigating
> >>>>  and
> >>>>  therefore can't really comment.
> >>>>
> >>>>  What is disgusting is that institutions' first line of 
> defense is 
> >>>>not mea
> >>>>  culpa with an intention of fixing what went wrong if 
> anything but 
> >>>>to
> >>>>  accuse
> >>>>  an individual, usually someone vulnerable, of doing 
> something 
> >>>>wrong.
> >>>>  Therefore, not their fault.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Part of the problem here is that we seem to be operating 
> under a 
> >>>>deeply
> >>>>  entrenched blame culture, which is reinforced virtually 
> every day 
> >>>>by the
> >>>>  lying of politicians and other public officials as a first 
> >>>>reaction. I
> >>>>  have
> >>>>  no idea how to overturn this.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  larry brownstein
> >>>>  ------ Original Message ------
> >>>>  From: "John Urquhart" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>  To: "the.Duke.of.URL" 
> <[log in to unmask]>;[log in to unmask]>>>>  Sent: 
> 21/01/2013 11:53:02
> >>>>  Subject: Re: JSTOR
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  It is significant that JSTOR's statement is not signed by an
> >>>>>  individual accepting responsibility for that statement, or 
> at 
> >>>>>least
> >>>>>  acting as a point of contact. Had this been done, it would be
> >>>>>  possible to point out to him that the creators of the 
> world's 
> >>>>>store of
> >>>>>  knowledge appear to be forced under the present system to 
> >>>>>surrender
> >>>>>  copyright to the publishers of their work. Otherwise, they 
> would 
> >>>>>be
> >>>>>  at liberty to publish on the internet their original papers 
> >>>>>without
> >>>>>  individuals such Aaron Swatrz risking their lives and 
> reason to 
> >>>>>hack
> >>>>>  into the world's store of knowledge. In the long-run, 
> Swartz's 
> >>>>>death
> >>>>>  is the responsibility of all those scientists who 
> subscribed to 
> >>>>>this
> >>>>>  totalitarian system of thought, which perpetuates a class 
> >>>>>structure
> >>>>>  and bodes ill for the futures of both science and society.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Please note: my name,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  John Urquhart
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  On 16 January 2013 00:37, the.Duke.of.URL 
> <[log in to unmask]> 
> >>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>  Whatever one may think of JSTOR's statement, it does 
> indicate 
> >>>>>>that the
> >>>>>>  justice department's persecution of Swartz can not be 
> defended on
> >>>>>>  rational
> >>>>>>  grounds.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   From JSTOR:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Aaron Swartz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  We are deeply saddened to hear the news about Aaron 
> Swartz. We 
> >>>>>>extend
> >>>>>>  our
> >>>>>>  heartfelt condolences to Aaron’s family, friends, and 
> everyone 
> >>>>>>who
> >>>>>>  loved,
> >>>>>>  knew, and admired him. He was a truly gifted person who 
> made 
> >>>>>>important
> >>>>>>  contributions to the development of the internet and the 
> web from 
> >>>>>>which
> >>>>>>  we
> >>>>>>  all benefit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  We have had inquiries about JSTOR’s view of this sad event 
> given 
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>  charges
> >>>>>>  against Aaron and the trial scheduled for April. The case 
> is one 
> >>>>>>that
> >>>>>>  we
> >>>>>>  ourselves had regretted being drawn into from the outset, 
> since 
> >>>>>>JSTOR’s
> >>>>>>  mission is to foster widespread access to the world’s body 
> of 
> >>>>>>scholarly
> >>>>>>  knowledge. At the same time, as one of the largest 
> archives of
> >>>>>>  scholarly
> >>>>>>  literature in the world, we must be careful stewards of 
> the 
> >>>>>>information
> >>>>>>  entrusted to us by the owners and creators of that 
> content. To 
> >>>>>>that
> >>>>>>  end,
> >>>>>>  Aaron returned the data he had in his possession and JSTOR 
> >>>>>>settled any
> >>>>>>  civil
> >>>>>>  claims we might have had against him in June 2011.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  JSTOR is a not-for-profit service and a member of the internet
> >>>>>>  community.
> >>>>>>  We
> >>>>>>  will continue to work to distribute the content under our 
> care as
> >>>>>>  widely
> >>>>>>  as
> >>>>>>  possible while balancing the interests of researchers, 
> students,>>>>>>  libraries,
> >>>>>>  and publishers as we pursue our commitment to the long-term
> >>>>>>  preservation
> >>>>>>  of
> >>>>>>  this important scholarly literature.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  We join those who are mourning this tragic loss.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  larry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Dr L Brownstein
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