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"Altar-team" seems about right. "Celebrant and assistants" or
"Ministers" are the only alternatives. But "priest, (sub-)deacon and
server" seems an odd "team" - are you sure that is right? It sounds
either too many, or not enough. For a "private" mass you need a priest
and a server. For a sung mass, you usually need priest, deacon,
sub-deacon, plus other assistant(s). Are you interpreting "priest,
cleric and servant" correctly? Could it not be priest, cleric in minor
orders plus a lay servant? All three "teams" could then act together
as priest, deacon, and sub-deacon (for each altar in turn), with the
three clerics as acolyte, thurifer, crucifer, etc, and the lay
servants either not at the altar, or playing minor roles.
John Briggs
On 27/02/2013, Laura Jacobus <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Thanks. Sounds like I may have to go for the horribly clunky 'altar-team'.
> Have been toying with 'altar-triad' but it conjures up images of medieval
> Chinese mafiosi. 'Chapel' according to SOD includes the choir, and I
> need a term that's restricted to priest, (sub-)deacon and server, as that's
> how they are described in the relevant documents. Feel free to keep those
> suggestions coming!
>
> all best
>
> Laura
> On 26 February 2013 22:28, John Briggs <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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>> Actually, it was standard terminology to refer to the *whole team* of
>> clerics (including the choir) as the "chapel" (household chapel,
>> chapel royal.)
>>
>> In architectural terms, it is easier in French: "La Chapelle Royale"
>> was the building, "La Chapelle du Roi" were the personnel.
>>
>> John Briggs
>>
>> On 26/02/2013, Laura Jacobus <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ha! Someone else who can't resist a digression! Thanks.
>> >
>> > Actually, it would be very helpful if anyone knows of another word I
>> could
>> > use to describe the 'team' that celebrates/serves at the altar.
>> > Rosemary
>> > sounds right in calling it a 'chapel' but in the context of the
>> > architectural history I'm writing (correction- trying and failing to
>> write)
>> > its too confusing to use 'chapel' for the building, 'chapel' for the
>> altars
>> > in subsidiary spaces in the building, and 'chapel' for the people in
>> > the
>> > chapels within the chapel.
>> >
>> > Annoyingly, the Arena Chapel in Padua (which is my subject) isn't a
>> quite a
>> > chapel but a church, but I can't fight more than a century of
>> > historiography so am stuck with the name.
>>
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