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From: John Dillon <[log in to unmask]>
>Further to Judoc:
> The relics in question had been at J.'s abbey in today's Saint-Josse /
Saint-Josse-sur-Mer (Pas-de-Calais) since at least 1134 when, in an internal
translation at the time of the completion of the abbey's then new church, they
were...placed in a châsse created for the occasion. The completion of the
cloister and other abbey buildings furnished the occasion in 1195 for a
similar handling of the relics and for a transfer into a more ornate châsse.
the confidence with which these dates are given as *the* dates of the actions
--the "internal translation" and the 1195 "occasion"-- reminds me of the use
to which i would like to put two documents (giving specific dates) from St.
Lomer of Blois (O.S.B.).
the first is a one line interpolation in a 9th c. ms. of Boethius' De Musica
which simply says, with great precision, that work on the new church for the
abbey began on a specific day in 1138.
this date fits quite well with what the earliest parts of the building look
like
mappinggothic.org/place/1033 [sorry for not being more specific, but the site
seems to be down today and this was as close as i could get to its Blois
images.]
and is, thus, a quite probable terminus ante quem.
the second date is contained in a charter which tells us that the relics of
St. Lomer were translated into the new building in 1186 --again, this date is
perfectly consistent with the appearance of the later stages of the first
building campaign, so it, too, is a quite likely terminus.
*precise* dates which can be *precisely* tied to the beginning of construction
of 12th c. are rather rare, and that 1138 date for this particular building is
particularly important because (if true) it establishes what appears to have
been the third "Early Gothic" building in the diocese of Chartres whose
construction began in the late 1130s,* Suger's famed "invention" of the Style
to the contrary notwithstanding.
(*the other two being the Northwest tower of the cathedral and the church of
St. Mary M. in Chateaudun.)
i've got quite a few questions about the 1138 interpolation which i would like
to pester the list with at length on another occasion, but for now i'm
wondering whether anyone here knows of a study of 11th-12th c. *precisely
dated* relic translations generally.
i'd like to get some sort of idea of what those accounts look like.
many thanks in advance.
c
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