Hello again,
As you can imagine I'm not in favour of a patriarchal order that leads women to take care of children or the household. But the reality is and will be at least in short term that women are left with no choice but to look after the kids etc.
And like it or not, it is much more inclined that way in some countries ie Turkey. So looking a bit beyond relatively more gender-equal countries, day nursing etc will be the only way to achieve more women participation in the workforce.
Oh, and ironically I happened to study both chemistry and design. Not so sure if they are any different in that sense.
G.
On 31 Oct 2012, at 18:12, "McQuillan, Holly" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hello all
> I am also usually a lurker and find it impossible to stay silent. I agree with Cynthia's point.
> The point made about role models is an interesting one also.
> The issue for me is the assumption that it is women who should fill the role of carer of children, and that in bearing children we need to expect that our careers will be sacrificed (because we must be primary carer). Neither proposition should be true.
> And the assertion from anyone (especially on this list) that this is just the way it is so deal with it, "its a mans world" etc, does nothing for men or women and to me shows how deeply ingrained sexism is.
>
> Holly McQuillan
>
> Lecturer
> IDIE
> College of Creative Arts
> Massey University
> New Zealand
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> On 1/11/2012, at 6:40, "Cynthia Lawson" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Dear Güneş et al,
>>
>> I'm usually just a list lurker, but how stay silence with this provocative thread.
>>
>> I would like to respectfully disagree with this idea that "unless working place conditions are more in alliance with the realities of life" because you are insinuating that women need flexible hours and day nursing service for kids. It is precisely this sense, that women need more flexibility, that hurts our careers in the long run.
>>
>> Why do you and others assume that it is up for a woman to have this flexibility? And what about same-sex couples? Are we then less inclined to assume who needs that flexibility, and can accept that men could also step in when needed?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Cynthia
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