My take on Ethan's comment was that he was arguing that religions are intrinsically linked to magical beliefs and or their praxes, but that not every discussion about religion would necessarily be relevant to those aspects of religion/ religious belief that are related in some way to magical beliefs and or praxes
Bw
Jon
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Greetings Ethan,
Please supply an example of any religion that is "not directly linked to
magical beliefs and/or praxes in any way". If you are suggesting that
Islam fits this category then I expect N.W. Azal to post in 3..2..1..
Regards,
Morgan Leigh
PhD Candidate
School of Sociology and Social Work
University of Tasmania
On 23/09/2012 1:54 AM, Ethan Doyle White wrote:
> Dear all
>
> As much as I do happen to find this thread rather interesting, I do have
> to support the claim that is is "off-topic" and therefore not
> appropriate material for this "Academic Study of Magic" list. It is a
> discussion of the development of a world religion, and not directly
> linked to magical beliefs and/or praxes in any way. Yes, religion and
> magic are intrinsically linked, as I'm sure we would all recognise, but
> surely this does not open up this list to a discussion of any topic
> related to religion in any way.
>
> My best to all
>
> Ethan Doyle White
> London
>
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> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:10:38 +0100
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> Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Religious Teachings
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> Dear Friends
>
> Magick is part of religion (and studies) or in some cases is a religion
> in its own right.
> Magick has often been involved in political phenomena - eg renaissance
> philosophy/humanism; 3rd Reich etc.
> Magick often has ethical implications - ethics and politics are clearly
> related.
> I also find some of the discussions about theory interesting - ie
> accusations of "Orientalism", reductionism etc etc.
> The rise of radical islam/fundamentalism seems like something we ought
> to be informed about for sure, especially as a great deal of
> magical tradition of the west comes via Islam.
> I suppose I'd say that magick as in paganism may have an answer or
> response to fundamentalism ie Pagan values are pluralistic.
>
> Perhaps the problem is the size of the topic -
> and the fact somehave already objected -
> but there again i not sure why if things are in clear threads on an
> elist those who are bored with it can't just skip over it?
>
> bb/93
>
> Mogg
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> Personally I don't think that this is off topic and it is
> interesting to read James' response. I tend to agree with him too.
>
> My own understanding of magick is heavily influenced by religion. It
> would seem to me to be hard to separate the two.
>
> David
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