According to the latest (2010-2011) PLR report the following libraries were
used to collect the sample data

England

Brighton & Hove 
Cornwall
Cambridgeshire 
Lancashire
Leicestershire
Sheffield
Rutland
Staffordshire
Surrey Warwickshire
Stockton-on-Tees

Metropolitan Districts
Dudley
Sefton
Sunderland

Greater London Boroughs
City of London
Islington
Lambeth

Wales
Cardiff
Powys
Monmouthshire

Scotland
East Lothian
Glasgow
Moray

Northern Ireland
Northern Ireland Library Authority

So no Essex for example (one of the largest UK public libraries). Surely
that's a much bigger omission than some volunteer run libraries? I see
nothing that says participation in PLR of itself gives any right or
permission for libraries to lend books--they don't need that to be able to
lend books do they? They were lending books long before PLR came along..
Ken

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Chad [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: 26 July 2012 19:53
To: 'Page, Felicity'; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: PLR and more

Isn't this whole PLR thing a red herring? It's muddying the waters. The real
PLR issue is surely how much money the government puts in the PLR pot to
help authors. The PLR *sampling* (of public libraries) is just a *means* to
provide a fair division of the cake. Surely if we want to help authors it's
size of the cake that's the real issue? A myriad of ways could be found to
decide how best to divide the cake up.  

Broadly speaking can't libraries (of any sort- or anyone) do what they want
with a books they *own*? You don't license *print* books you *own* them. If
the book is still in copyright you will be limited in making *copies*
(photocopies etc ..)  but isn't that about it? So if a person or an
organisation has bought a book then it can do what it wants with it.....
loan it, sell it, burn it? How else could the myriad of libraries operate? 

Some of my *old* paperbacks have a statement along the lines of  "this book
is sold subject to the condition that shall not, by way of trade or
otherwise, be lent, re-sold or hired out or otherwise circulate........in
*any form of binding or cover* other than which it is published....but I
haven't seen that in a book in years

Of course *e*books (and much econtent) is different. In lots of cases you
*license* the ebooks (like software) and have to abide by the license.....ay
there's the rub.... so maybe it's time for libraries to "take arms against a
sea of troubles" :)

Maybe part of that is for organisations/libraries/individuals to support
efforts like Eric Hellman's  'unglue' *e*books. 

Ken
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-----Original Message-----
From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Page, Felicity
Sent: 26 July 2012 08:33
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: PLR and more

Does anyone have any knowledge of what book licensing agreements there are
for academic, private libraries not covered by PLR - or where/how to find
out?

Felicity Page
Customer access officer.
Camden library service.

-----Original Message-----
From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Laura Swaffield
Sent: 25 July 2012 20:44
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: PLR and more

Yes, it's a very complex issue and you have a point.
Meanwhile the DCMS seems to be getting into more & more of a muddle over the
whole issue.

So far the only voice to speak with authority and sense on PLR has been the
small, highly respected, super-efficient PLR organisation itself.
Guess what - the DCMS wants to abolish... er, I mean 'transfer' it!!
If by any chance people have a view on this, you have just til 30 July to
express it: http://www.culture.gov.uk/consultations/9019.aspx

Laura Swaffield

On 7/25/12, Ken Chad <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ok devil's advocate perhaps but.....libraries of all kinds -corporate, 
> academic, schools, special , government etc etc -not to mention the 
> subscription based (public) London Library make loans to borrowers and 
> are not part of PLR. What's the problem? PLR is just a sampling 
> scheme-it doesn't cover all public libraries anyway. Perhaps the 
> bigger issue is no PLR (or legal deposit) on ebooks....
>
> Ken
>
> Tel +44 (0)7788 727 845. Email:  <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> [log in to unmask]   <http://www.kenchadconsulting.com/>
> www.kenchadconsulting.com
>
> Skype: kenchadconsulting   Twitter: @KenChad   LinkedIn:
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kenchad
>
> Higher Education Library Technology wiki:  <http://helibtech.com/> 
> http://helibtech.com/
>
> My presentations on slideshare:  <http://www.slideshare.net/kenchad>
> http://www.slideshare.net/kenchad
>
>
>
> From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Frances Hendrix
> Sent: 25 July 2012 15:34
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: PLR and more
>
>
>
> The DCMS has issued new guidance on the application of Public Lending 
> Right but it continues to ignore the serious legal concerns raised by 
> the Society of Authors. In particular, under EU legislation, authors 
> are entitled to be compensated equitably for library loans made but not
covered by PLR.
>
>
>
> DCMS :
>
> Public lending right - how it applies
>
>
>
> http://www.culture.gov.uk/what_we_do/libraries/9212.aspx
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> Frances Hendrix
>
> Martin House Farm, Hilltop Lane, Whittle le Woods, Chorley, Lancs, PR6 
> 7QR
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> Tel:  01257 274 833.   Mobile: 0777 55 888 03
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