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From: Cecilia Gaposchkin <[log in to unmask]>
> I'm just trying to figure out what Raymond of Aguilliers was referring to.
> At the very end of his description of the taking of Jerusalem, following
the famous description of "crusaders riding in blood to the knees and
bridles of their horses,"
either a bit of hyperbole fitting for the occasion or an indication of the
short stature of the victors' horses.
>and the surrendering of the Tower of David to Raymond (of St Gilles),
Raymond
(of Aguilliers) says a few thigns; the "pilgrims" rejoice at the
HolySepulchre; He says "I further state that this day ended all paganism,
another bit of hyperbole perhaps --though i *think* that the leitmotif of
"ending all paganism" ran through much of the Crusading psyche.
it was part of the scatological "thinking" which, say, formed St. Bernie's
feeling that the Second Crusade would be an essential event in the bringing
about of the End Times (influenced by his reading of, of all things, the
thoroughly Pagan Sibylline prophesies --but, leave us not Quibble).
>confirmed Christianity and restored our faith.
> 'This is the day which the Lord has made; we shall rejoice and be glad in
it,"
straight from the Psalm, is it not?
appearing in the liturgy for numerous days, i assume --that of the
Resurrection?
> And then a little bit later, he writes "This day, the Ides of July, shall
be commemorated to the praise and glory of the name of God, who in response
to the prayers of His church returned in faith and blessing to His children
Jerusalem as well as its lands which he had pledged to the Fathers. At this
time, we also chanted the Office of the Resurrection, since on this day He,
who by His might, arose from the dead, restored us through His kindness."
just sounds to me like Ray is --inadvertently-- recounting the first
celebration of this special feast in Jerusalem.
as Brother Briggs has suggested:
From: John Briggs <[log in to unmask]>
> Rather more of a problem is that we are using liturgy developed after
the event in an effort to determine what actually happened on the day.
proving, once again, that Great Minds run in the same Ruts.
> We need to establish whether there was a pre-existing liturgy for the
"Iter Sepulchri" which culminated in an "office of the Resurrection" at
the Holy Sepulchre itself.
yes.
does Dondi discuss pre-1099 H.S. liturgies?
c
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