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Presumably an "extra" office (like the Hours of the BVM), rather than
the Office of the day. In which case, I'm with John on this one.
John Briggs
On 02/04/2012 17:19, Christopher Crockett wrote:
>
> for the Liturgically Challenged, playing around down here in the sandbox, what
> does the term "votive office" mean in this context, John?
>
> c
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> Subject: Re: [M-R] Office of the Resurrection - for the Liturgical Experts
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>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>>
>> The esteemed Fr. Paul and I do not really disagree, though he is much better
> informed on this issue than I am (Carmelite historical advantage on this
> matter?). If, as I suggested as an alternative, this was a celebration of a
> votive office of the Resurrection, it would be as Paul says, the text of the
> votive office of the Resurrection (I think there might be a special office for
> this separate from the Paschal office, which has several peculiarities) . I
> did not mean to imply that the office of the current Sunday would be
> celebrated in a votive context.
>> best,
>> John W.
>>
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>> Cecilia, I'm not sure I would agree with the learned John Wickstrom on this
> one. The crusader clergy were intensely conscious that the Holy Sepulchre was
> the place of the Resurrection, witnessed by the fact that the usage that they
> develop there after 1099 has a commemoration of the Resurrection every day
> through the year, and an additional Solemn Commemoration of the Resurrection
> on the last Sunday of the year (i.e., the Sunday befopre Advent). Also for
> them the recovery of Jerusalem was an epochal event. I suspect they would have
> used the most solemn Resurrection office available to them, i.e., the Easter
> office, rather than that of the Sunday occurring. Admittedly, this is a guess,
> but it seems more likely to me.
>>
>> Is there anything that addresses your question in Cristina Dondi, The
> Liturgy of the Canons Regular of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem: A Study and
> a Catalogue of the Manuscript Sources, Turnhout: Brepols, 2004? -- Paul
>>
>>
>> On 2 April 2012 03:50, John Wickstrom
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>> Cecilia, my guess is that the phrase simply refers to the Sunday office,
> which commemorates the Resurrection (I'm pretty sure I've seen this in
> 9th-11th c liturgical rubrics. It might also refer to a votive office of the
> Resurrection celebrated for this victory, but I think Sunday is more likely.
>> John W.
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>> Hello Cecilia,
>>
>> My feeling is that it isn't so much "Officium de Resurrectione" as "officium
> de resurrectione." Although you are right that the more official word was
> Pascha, liturgical commentators like Amalarius of Metz (admittedly writing
> before Raymond) often use phrases like "the day of our Lord's resurrection" or
> "between the time of Christ's passion and the time of his resurrection" or
> simply "resurrection Sunday." For example, the title of the seventh chapter
> of Book 1 of Amalarius's Liber Officialis is "De varietatibus officiorum per
> diem, usque in resurrectione Domini" (this chapter is largely about Lent).
>> It isn't so far from there to a phrase like "the office of [Christ's]
> resurrection."
>>
>> I mostly know the Carolingian material, however, and perhaps something
> changed by Raymond's time...Also, I do believe that there is an "Office of the
> Resurrection" in Byzantine usage, but perhaps others know about this?
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Cecilia Gaposchkin
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>> culture Doctissimi,
>>>
>>> I am reading Raymond of Aguiliers, who tells me that, upon capturing
>>> Jerusalem (on July 15), that "in hac die cantavimus officium de
>>> Resurrectione, quia in hac die ille qui sua virtute a mortuis
>>> resurrexit, per gratiam suam nos resuscitavit."
>>>
>>> I presume the "officium de Resurrectione" is the Liturgy for Easter?
>>> Is this the common medieval way of referring to Easter? I would have
>>> expected paschalis or the like, but am not familiar with this
>>> language. Want to be sure.
>>>
>>> Thanks, as ever,
>>> cecilia
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