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From: "Howe, John" <[log in to unmask]>
> John Calvin famously used teams of three students to record his sermons:
two produced transcripts from which the third produced a fair copy,
reconciling the differences on the basis of what he had heard. Then Calvin
himself would read it, edit it, and make it part of a bible commentary...
> The practice has roots far earlier than Calvin or Bernard. It seems clear
that some of Augustine's sermons, including the recently discovered collection
from Carthage, were recorded by stenographers.
yes, and i would suppose (being blissfully unencumbered by any actual
knowledge of the subject myself) that this sort of amanuensis usage would have
pre-dated Augustine --or any other Christian author-- as well.
alas, Life being Short, it is Bernie's Method of Work that i am primarily
concerned with.
but, thanks for the info on (perhaps) Bernie's most unlikely student, John.
c
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Received: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:29:06 PM EDT
From: "Howe, John" <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: [M-R] Bernie's methods of sermoniacal composition
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> John Calvin famously used teams of three students to record his sermons:
two produced transcripts from which the third produced a fair copy,
reconciling the differences on the basis of what he had heard. Then Calvin
himself would read it, edit it, and make it part of a bible commentary. His
commentaries were thorough (more than 600 sermons on Isaiah alone), yet if he
had lived a few years longer he would have been able to cover the entire
bible.
>
> The practice has roots far earlier than Calvin or Bernard. It seems clear
that some of Augustine's sermons, including the recently discovered collection
from Carthage, were recorded by stenographers. Whether these were authorized
transcripts that were part of an editorial process or just "bootleg
recordings" is another question.
>
> --John Howe
>
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> Subject: [M-R] Bernie's methods of sermoniacal composition
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> i "accidentally" came across a non-academic discussion of "Information
Hoarders"
>
>
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/25/information_hoarders_salpart/?source=newsletter
>
> which happened to contain this interesting Factoid:
>
> "Taking notes during sermons started in the Middle Ages. The work of a great
sermonist like Bernard of Clairvaux survived because he would plant a
secretary in the audience to take notes while he preached. Bernard would
finalize his sermon based on these notes and release it for 'publication' by
copying."
>
> does anyone know where i might find a serious discussion of Bernie's methods
for putting together the final, "published" versions of his sermons?
>
> i suppose that the subject might be discussed somewhere in Jean Leclercq's
"Recueil d’études sur Saint Bernard et ses ecrits" (Rome: Edizioni di
Storia e letterature, 1962)?
>
> or not?
>
> or where?
>
> specifically, the historian of the 2nd Crusade, Odo of Deuil, says that
Bernie preached a sermon on the third day of the great council which Louis VII
assembled in February of 1147 at Etampes, at which Suger was designated to be
Regent during the king's absence in the East. (Odo also tells us that the
council began on "Circumdederunt Me Sunday.")
>
> i am trying --with no success, as yet-- to identify what the subject of that
sermon might have been.
>
> i can't seem to find a pre-lent sermon which fits in with the Mare's Nest i
am trying to construct, so i'm reluctantly coming around to the opinion that
this particular sermon was never "published."
>
> being severely Sermoniacally Challenged, any thoughts on how i might go
about solving this little Conundrum would be greatly appreciated.
>
> c
>
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