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Christopher,
Actual tunics (rather than "chemisettes", i.e. small conventional images
of the Virgin's Tunic) that had been laid on the Sainte-Chasse
containing the Virgin's Tunic at Chartres were, indeed, considered
efficacious for protection when worn in battle. Contact with the
reliquary made of them "contact relics". The actual liturgical process
through which these tunics went, though, is only vaguely known. There
is some indication that tunics were laid on the reliquary for a novena,
but when this practice started is unknown (and, not being a liturgist, I
have been unable to find much of anything on the origins of the novena
itself). Substantial evidence for this practice only begins to emerge
during the 14th century, although there are a couple of examples
included in the late 12th-century miracle collection written at
Chartres, and repeated in the French verse translation of the mid-13th
century written by Jean le Marchant. And writing at the beginning of
the 17th century, Sebastian Roulliard claims that Richard the Lionheart
wore a "chemise de Chartres" during the Third Crusade. Eventually, as
you suggest Christopher, chemisettes fulfilled a similar function, and
at some point during the early modern period (I can't remember exactly
when) it is recorded that the cathedral chapter sent a consignment of
them to the Knights of Malta.
If one is to include sacralized objects in this enquiry, then some
thought should also be given to the practice of the French king
accepting the Oriflamme at the high altar of the abbey church of
Saint-Denis before military campaigns.
Cheers,
Jim
On 07/02/2012 8:21 AM, Christopher Crockett wrote:
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> blissfully unencumbered by any actual knowledge of the situation, it seems
> clear to me that the middlevil equivalent of the "Gott Mit Uns" belt buckles
> of the First Collective Psychotic Episode were the "chemisettes" --small cloth
> replicas of the relic of the _camesia_ of the Virgin-- which were obtained by
> noble pilgrims to Chartres on their way to Do Battle in the name of Right.
>
> Jim is the Resident Expert on this subject and can correct me when i am wrong
> and say that the obtainance and acceptance of these Ju-Ju invested artifacts
> must have been accompanied by:
>
> 1) some sort of [liturgical?] ceremony
>
> which must have included
>
> b) prayers
>
> but apparently no trace of either has survived in the written record.
>
> or, has it?
>
> c
>
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:45:49 PM EST
> From: Cecilia Gaposchkin<[log in to unmask]>
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> Subject: Re: [M-R] bibliography on the efficacy of prayer
>
>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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>> Dear all,
>> I write to thank you for all your fantastic suggestions at this. Much of
>> it I already know but not all, Paul Chandler's suggestions to look at the
>> earlier commentaries is my next step.
>>
>> Thank you all!!
>> cecilia
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Rosemary Hayes-Milligan and Andrew
>> Milligan<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
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>>> John is right. There is quite a lot of this kind of thing in English
>>> episcopal registers. Alison McHardy calendars several examples (largely
> to
>>> support the king in war and peace) in her edition of Royal Writs
> Addressed
>>> to John Buckingham, Bishop of Lincoln 1362-98 (Canterbury and York
> Society,
>>> vol 86, 1997) She does not quote the writs in full but has references to
>>> Rymer's Foedera where they are printed in extenso. The Foedera is now
>>> available online
> http://www.british-history.ac.**uk/catalogue.aspx?gid=152<http://www.british-history.ac.uk/catalogue.aspx?gid=152>
>>> .
>>>
>>> Rosemary Hayes
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>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] bibliography on the efficacy of prayer
>>>
>>>
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>>> You've probably already got this, Cecilia, but Rosemary Horrox has a few
>>> bits from English episcopal registers attaching the intercessionary
> prayers
>>> to be said accompanying processions against the plague (in _The Black
>>> Death_, p. 111 ff.) but no descriptions of an actual procession. There's
>>> also a mandate for processions against the plague and an accompaying
> prayer
>>> from Archbp. William Courtenay in Wilkins _Concilia_, v. 3, 156-57
>>> translated in Shinners& Dohar, _Pastors and the Care of Souls in
> Medieval
>>> England_ pp. 285-86. I'm happy to send you a typescript of the latter.
>>>
>>> Somewhere in the documents about medieval Jews in Oxford there's a brief
>>> description of a procession for the BVM (I think) mocked by a young
> Jewish
>>> man. I'd have to do a little digging to get that one but can if you'd
>>> like. Some mandates to do public penance describe what the penitent
> should
>>> wear (usually just a shirt& barefooted) and carry in procession around
> a
>>> church but I don't know of any eyewitness accounts.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> John
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Paul Chandler"
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>>> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 8:05:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] bibliography on the efficacy of prayer
>>>
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>>> Cecilia, you may have already done this, but I would go first to the
>>> Dictionnaire de spiritualit é and hunt around under any likely keywords.
>>>
>>> There may be something useful in Doris L. Bergen (ed.), The Sword of the
>>> Lord: Military Chaplains from the First to the Twenty-First Century
> (2004).
>>> It includes a chapter on The medieval military chaplain and his duties by
>>> David Bachrach, which is based on his Ph.D. thesis, which may also be of
>>> use. Recently there is K.A. Smith's War and the Making of Medieval
> Monastic
>>> Culture (2011).
>>>
>>> The commentaries on Exodus 17.8-16 (where Moses prays with outstretched
>>> arms during the battle against the Amalekites) would also be worth
>>> checking. Cornelius a Lapide's Commentaria in Sacram Scripturam usually
>>> mentions the main patristic and medieval commentators on any given
> passage
>>> and can be a good kick-off point. -- Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 February 2012 00:15, Cecilia Gaposchkin< [log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>>> Hello friends,
>>>
>>> I am working right now on issues around ritual and liturgical
>>> supplications to God ("clamours") and have come across a few explicit
>>> statements about the efficacy of prayer and supplication to God. This is
>>> the context of warfare, and (in the case I am thinking of, Honorius III)
>>> gives a long defense, with lots of references to the Old Testament, of
> how
>>> prayer can turn things around for armies.
>>>
>>> I want to follow this up. Does anyone know of bibliography around this
>>> issue, either about medieval discussions on the efficacy of
>>> prayer/liturgical supplication, or - even better, the efficacy in the
>>> context of war?
>>>
>>> Also, I'll throw this in, if anyone can point me to a contextual
>>> literature on penitential processions. I have lots of references to the
>>> calling of penitential processions, but I'd love to get a sense of what
>>> prayers, litanies, psalms, and so forth, were actually
> prescribed/performed
>>> in these. If anybody has either specific (medieval) examples, or a
>>> liturature that has looked into this, I'd love the reference.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all!
>>> cecilia
>>>
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