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not a question of "archidiacre," Marjie.
it's "archipresbyter" that we're Tweeting about.
read the posts, please.
c
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Received: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:15:01 PM EST
From: Marjorie Greene <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: [M-R] training of a priest
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> Even Francocentric people know the term "archidiacre" IF they've read Hugo's
Notre-Dame de Paris - in French, of course. I don't know how it's translated
into English as I've never read it in English.MG
>
> Marjorie Greene
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> --- On Tue, 1/24/12, Revd Gordon Plumb <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> From: Revd Gordon Plumb <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [M-R] training of a priest
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 6:23 PM
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> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> Why not mention it, John. It is a most interesting work - I find my copy
> most useful!
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> Gordon Plumb
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> In a message dated 24/01/2012 18:05:03 GMT Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
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> On 24/01/2012, Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > From: James Ginther
> <[log in to unmask]>
> >>
> >> If university education was
> not possible (and it was expensive--plus ca
> >> change), then in
> England the rural deans (on the continent archpriests
> >
> > what the
> devil is an "archpriest"?
> >
> > i've never come across such a term
> in my French documents.
> >
> > though we do have some --a very few--
> instances of "rural deans" in the
> > 11th-12th c. charters (only
> recognizable because they are style "dean" and
> > it's clear that they
> are not the Dean of the cathedral chapter).
>
> The problem is, of course,
> that Chris is so Francocentric - and so
> entrenched in the 11th and 12th
> centuries - that he religiously
> refuses to read any works relating to
> England. Specifically, the
> following works by A. Hamilton
> Thompson:
>
> The English Clergy and their Organization in the Later Middle
> Ages (OUP, 1947)
>
> "Diocesan Organization in the Middle Ages: Archdeacons
> and Rural
> Deans" Proceedings of the British Academy, Vol. 29 (1943),
> pp.3-44
> [also available as an offprint]
>
> The latter work is not, of
> course, limited to England (it deals
> extensively with France), but in a
> footnote on page 67 of the former
> we may read:
>
> "So, in the
> constitution 'Vas electionis Paulus' [of Benedict XII] we
> find: 'decanis
> ruralibus duntaxat exceptis, qui in aliquibus
> regionibus archipresbyteri
> nominantur.' See 'Diocesan Organization'
> for the use of the title
> archpriest abroad. In France to-day the terms
> are
> interchangeable."
>
> Perhaps I shouldn't mention that I myself became so
> entranced by the
> subject that I purchased my own copy of Dansey's "Horae
> Decanicae
> Rurales"...
>
> John
> Briggs
>
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