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That's brilliant, Jussi, it fits my limited familiarity (hemmed in, as always, by the horizon of Italy) with the subject of medieval archpriests much better than my wild supposition.
You are not totally, or partially, mistaken!
Best wishes, George
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On 24 Jan 2012, at 22:35, Jussi Hanska wrote:
> Dear all,
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> If I am not totally mistaken (which is known to happen occasionally, mind you), archipresbiter or plebanus was the title of the priest of a so-called plebs (pieve in Italian), that is, a church that had baptism rights. In Italy not all the parishes and their vicars had right to baptize children, but they needed to be taken to these pieve churches whose vicars were called archpriests. This system was in use still in the late fifteenth century, perhaps even later, but I don't know about that. In the rest of the Europe it had been abandoned earlier.
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> That was probably very confusing even in my terms, but hopefully it clarifies the issue.
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> All the best,
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> Jussi Hanska
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> Lainaus George FERZOCO <[log in to unmask]>:
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>> Jim (and other colleagues) -- it has been nothing more than a hunch for me, based on nothing but a feeling, that the medieval archpriest was roughly equivalent to today's monsignor (especially one who works for the bishop in the curia). Does this ring true, to you?
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>> Best wishes, George
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>> On 24 Jan 2012, at 14:00, James Ginther wrote:
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>>> As for archpriest, it was a designation for a senior priest who had jurisdiction over other priests, but in a very limited manner. In England they ended up being a middle man administrator for the bishop and the archdeacon. I believe they took on the same role on the continent, but it may be I am thinking more of Italy than France. Pastoral "reformers" attempted to utilize them as a means to disseminate pastoral training manuals, and report on the liturgical infelicities of the parish priests. The designation was jurisdictional and not sacramental (there is no order of archpriest), and mirrored loosely the notion of archdeacon.
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