medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Also, production within religious orders. If some nuns embroidered vestments,
might not others produce hair shirts? (I would guess production would reflect a difference
in class and/or monastic wealth, but am just guessing!) As to metal items, I would think
that a monastery with a local workshop would be the place to look. Though I write this
as I am re-reading the Name of the Rose to improve my Italian (and finding all kinds of
bits that were left out of the English, apparently with Ecco's approval!) I'm assuming that
Ecco's, and for that matter Ellis's portrayal of large monasteries as having a complete set of "in house" craftsmen is accurate . . .
Meg
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From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture on behalf of MAUREEN A TILLEY
Sent: Tue 1/17/2012 09:16
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Subject: Re: [M-R] Instruments of bodily mortification
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
In your quest to find how medievals found their instruments of mortification, don't ignore recycling within religious orders.
Maureen A. Tilley
Professor of Theology
Fordham University
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From: George FERZOCO
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Date: 01/17/2012 09:02AM
Subject: [M-R] Instruments of bodily mortification
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Dear medieval-religion colleagues,
We very briefly had the pleasure of having Anne Schutte as a member of the list. She has left us, asking if I could send this to you on her behalf.
I propose that we reply to her queries here, and that I shall pass along the answers to Prof. Schutte.
Many thanks and all good wishes, George
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Forwarded message:
First: I am not and never have been either a Catholic or an anti-Catholic,
nor do I get off on masochism and sadism. Now, my weird question. Does anyone
know how devout people in the Middle Ages and early modern period procured
instruments of bodily mortification: cilices, disciplines, hair-shirts? Could they get
them in shops? Or did they have to special-order them from artisans
(blacksmiths, rope-makers, tailors)? Conceivably, a experienced amateur seamstress with
access to scratchy fabric could stitch up her own hair-shirt, and someone
with extraordinarily strong hands could knot up a passable discipline. But fabricating
a cilice would have required professional skill in metal fabrication.
For a hair-raising look at such instruments, go to www.cilice.co.uk.
This firm claims to sell its products only to collectors - but I bet they have a flourishing
user market in various quarters.
Please reply offline to Anne Schutte: [log in to unmask]
--
Anne Jacobson Schutte
(Professor of History, emerita,
University of Virginia)
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