Dear Sara,
leaving the list means the existing power-knowledge relations, of which your post speaks of the
material effects, remain intact. If you wish to disrupt these relations in a constructive way that will
also move your own work forward, I encourage you to post some questions that will engage
members to respond productively – there are many, many people reading this list (who don't enter
the very public fray) who are very helpful off or on-list. I am one of the beneficiaries of their
generosity.
What's your research about?
cheers, teena
On Tue, Dec 13th, 2011 at 7:28 AM, sara rakei <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Bijan
> I do agree. Sometimes I think it will be better to leave the email list
> to escape from those kind of endless emails :(
>
> Sara Rakei - PhD Candidate
>
> Istanbul Technical University
> Institute of Science and Technology
> Industrial Product Design
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Bijan Aryana <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Gunnar,
> >
> > You have selected some of my sentences, and some other are missing. I
> > think it is clear that a mailing list is different from a forum, and we
> > have different tools for each, and I am not the only one who has this
> idea.
> >
> > I don't like to start another endless discussion, but there are around
> > 2000 people in the list, and if most of them do not share anything, it
> > doesn't mean that they are "opportunist" type of people ( as you may
> think
> > about me). It means that we are not using this list in a helpful way.
> > Of course, I saw examples of useful exchanges, I saw some PhD students
> > share their subjects, ask for collaborations, search for references.
> There
> > are also quite useful calls for publications, jobs etc, and sometimes
> very
> > good links about research projects. That is what many people who join
> this
> > list like to see.
> >
> > When there are so many emails focused on a complex theoretical
> discussion,
> > people may miss some opportunities in other types of the emails. You
> may
> > remember that some people send emails to the whole list few months ago,
> > asking for a way to unsubscribe!
> >
> > So, there are some problems here. You may have some suggestions for
> > improving it, but you can not "completely ignore me :-)
> >
> > Bijan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and
> related
> > research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark
> > Ransom
> > Sent: 12. desember 2011 14:49
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Learning how to write from Ken
> >
> > I agree ! As a recently started part-time PhD student many of the
> > discussions appear to be a dialogue between a few who keep point
> scoring
> > until somebody gives in.
> >
> > Mark Ransom
> > Chairman
> > ANTONE Key House Wanstead Road Leicester
> > LE3 1TR tel : 0116 232 4700 direct : 0116 232 4743
> > mobile :
> > 07711 430 247
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and
> related
> > research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Bijan
> > Aryana
> > Sent: 12 December 2011 13:34
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Learning how to write from Ken
> >
> > We are the design community and still using old fasioned email
> exchanging
> > method for discussions! This list would work better if we focus on
> things
> > that can help us to improve our knowledge and career, rather than
> endless
> > discussions without any certain outcome. Is this a mailing list or a
> forum?
> > Look at the number of members and then look at the number of people who
> > participate in the endless discussions. That explains everything!
> > And, look at the title of the list : This list is for discussion of
> "PhD
> > studies" ..... Many people forget about that! Were are PhD students?!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and
> related
> > research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Terence Love
> > Sent: 12. desember 2011 14:28
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Learning how to write from Ken
> >
> > Hi Karen,
> >
> > You wrote (about Ken's posts):
> > <snip> ' The only thing I think is that's been bugging me is his
> writing
> > style which has usually been the *detailed thesis style* with all the
> > minute details in. It's good on the learning front but I think it's
> still
> > good if the entire process could be much quicker and far succinct. I
> don't
> > know how others think, but it can sometimes make you either 'cry' or
> > astonished by the amount of content that is pushed in on an online
> forum.'
> > <endsnip>
> >
> > This situation can be a technology issue rather than a writing issue.
> > Content-producers and content-receivers are different, and since the
> > advent of the iPad and similar devices they often use different
> > technologies.
> > On a desktop computer arranged for efficient content-production, Ken's
> > emails look like short posts. In contrast, on an iPad or iPhone
> > (content-receiving devices), the same emails look like long
> documents.
> > The other side of it is that it's enormously easier and faster to use
> an
> > efficient content-production computer to create substantial academic
> > documents than to use a device primarily meant for content receiving.
> > Cheers,
> > Terry
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and
> related
> > research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Karen
> > Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2011 3:42 PM
> > To: Dr Terence Love
> > Subject: Re: Learning how to write from Ken
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I don't think Prof Friedman missed the points. Quite conversely, I
> think
> > he has always been able to include most of the points, if not all the
> > points in an email/s. The only thing I think is that 's been bugging me
> is
> > his writing style which has usually been the *detailed thesis style*
> with
> > all the minute details in. It's good on the learning front but I think
> its
> > still good if the entire process could be much quicker and far succint.
> I
> > don't know how others think, but it can sometimes make you either 'cry'
> or
> > astonished by the amount of content that is pushed in on an online
> forum. I
> > think a different line of approaches would be good. 'cos every problem,
> > being et cetra is unique on its own. No one (type) fits all.
> >
> > Cheerio,
> >
> > Karen Fu
> > playing on ideas on her iPad
> > and a list of other fun little tools.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Rosan Chow
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken Friedman has written a post in way that is quite typical of him,
> I
> > > suppose. I have time on my hands and would like to learn from him. So
> > > I
> > did
> > > an analysis of his post (in inserted comments): Here is my conclusion
> > > on how to write the Friedman's way:
> > >
> > <snip>
> >
>
>
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