medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
From: George FERZOCO <[log in to unmask]>
> Two questions, medieval-religion colleagues:
> 1) Are there other medieval religious groups that were known collectively as
hermits?
offhand, i should have thought that the very idea of "collective heritism"
would be somewhat Oxymoronic, would it not?
> 2) Could the OED be wrong in calling the Hermits of St. Augustine a
*monastic* group?
the absurdity of the nutty thought that the OED could be wrong aside, what
else could it (the HSA) be called?
reformed secular canons were occasionally referred to as "monks" in the 12th
c.
they usually had abbots as heads of their institutions and were thus,
literally, "abbeys"
and were termed that in at least two (related) 12th c. charters that i know
of. (Henry "of France," brother of Louis VII, is styled "abbas regalium
abbatiarum", i.e., he was "abbot of the royal collegiate churches/abbeys" in
1146.)
c
> On 22 Dec 2011, at 19:12, Christopher Crockett wrote:
>
> > From: Henk 't Jong <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> >> Even by the later 13th c they lived in proper monasteries.
> >
> > is that because all the trees were cut down by then?
> >
> > in any event, were they called "hermits"?
> >
> >> By the 14th century, the OESA were not hermits in the original sense.
> >
> > no, apparently not.
> >
> > the OED's 2.a ["immediately derived from 1"], **first noted in
Holinshed**:
> >
> > hermit, n.
> >
> > 1.
> > a. One who from religious motives has retired into solitary life; esp. one
of
> > the early Christian recluses. See eremite n. 1.
> >
> > c1275 (1200) Laȝamon Brut (Calig.) (1978) l. 9382 Sone þe armite
[c1300
> > Otho heremite] com in.
> > c1300 St. Brandan 610 The ermite that was so old aȝen hem com gon.
> > a1400 (1325) Cursor Mundi (Gött.) l. 8135 An armyte [Vesp.
heremite,
> > Fairf. ermyte] þar þai fand at hame In þat montayn, was halt and lame.
> > c1440 Promp. Parv. 141/2 Ermyte‥heremita.
> >
> > β.
> > a1300 Cursor M. (Gött.) 17900 A man come þan widuten lite, Þat semed
wele
> > haue bene hermite [v.rr. eremite, eremyte, Ermyte].
> > 1362 Langland Piers Plowman A. Prol. 3 In Habite of an Hermite [B.
> > Heremite, C. Ermite] vn-holy of werkes.
> > c1400 Mandeville's Trav. (Roxb.) vii. 24 A haly hermit mette‥a beste
> > forschapen.
> > 1481 Myrrour of Worlde (Caxton) i. v. 22 The other gaf it [their
tresour]
> > away and‥wente as hermytes.
> >
> > γ.
> > c1275 Laȝamon Brut 18804 Þan heremite he iseh come.
> > c1480 (1400) St. Mary Magdalen 811 in W. M. Metcalfe Legends Saints Sc.
Dial.
> > (1896) I. 279 A preste‥þat fled þe warld as heremyt.
> > 1497 J. Alcock Mons Perfeccionis (de Worde) D iij b, An heremyte cam to
> > saynt Anthony.
> >
> > b. transf. A person living in solitude.
> >
> > 2. In senses immediately derived from 1.
> >
> > a. In the formal designation of certain monastic orders: e.g. Hermits of
St.
> > Augustine: see eremite n. 2.
> >
> > **1577–87** R. Holinshed Chron. III. 926/1 At Padua in the church of
the
> > heremites of saint Augustine.
> > 1706 tr. L. E. Du Pin New Eccl. Hist. 16th Cent. II. iv. xi. 449 The
> > Augustinians produced one [new branch] that of the Hermites of St.
Augustin.
>
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