Dear David,
On the topic of copy rite, as a teacher of mathematics for several years, I feel that I have made a great contribution to Society in terms of work sheets and have even Published books myself for colleagues to photocopy as I am an altruistic person and like to encourage the youngsters to learn to learn about the world around them.
Mathematics is a useful way of describing the world and trying to make sense of it and it is apparently the rules of the law that about 10% of a publication can be photocopied for use in an institution, for to teach the pupils good ways and to provide information.
I feel that it is a sad day if youngsters in their infancy have to provide money for this privilege of learning to earn money, if you know what I mean, and to keep alive as well.
Regards,
Julie :)
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Topics of the day:
1. Academic ebooks (11)
2. ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Digest - 5 Nov 2011 to 6 Nov 2011 (#2011-277) (5)
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:51:38 +1100
From: Morgan Leigh <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Greetings All,
For more information on copyright and the digital world see, first and
foremost http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html - "In the Beginning
was the Command Line" by Neal Stephenson.
Also;
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090724/0445155649.shtml - Should
Copyright Be Abolished On Academic Work?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/aug/18/free-ebooks-cory-doctorow
- Why free ebooks should be part of the plot for writers
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/18/informationeconomy -
Free data sharing is here to stay
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/oct/05/free-online-content-cory-doctorow
- The real cost of free
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1040628/drm-complete-lie - DRM
is a complete lie
http://www.thepublicdomain.org/download/ - "The Public Domain" book
Regards,
Morgan Leigh
PhD Candidate
School of Sociology and Social Work
University of Tasmania
On 7/11/2011 2:45 AM, Pitch wrote:
Aloha,
On 11/6/2011 2:34 AM, Margaret Gouin wrote:
Pitch--google 'remove DRM from ebook' and see how many hits you get.
Once the DRM is off the file, it can be shared as widely as you wish.
Of course you would only do this to lend your books to friends...
Yes, ereader users may join the ranks of haxxors and leet haxxors,
modify components or elements of the warez that enable their devices
to do out of compliance things. We can take some pretty easy-to-do
steps to get our ereader devices to go beyond their designed-in
capabilities and functionality. Download a little software. Swap a
memory chip. Stuff like that.
Because, to remain in compliance with conditions of edistributor/
hosting network registration, device warranties, and digital rights
agreements, ereader devices are fettered. Out of the box, these
devices do not do all and everything that they--technically--potentially
can do. With a little hacking, higher end ereader devices (Color Nook,
for example) can be turned into pretty good Android tablet computers.
What's more, with a bit of care, the hacks can be done in a manner
that preserves (gives the hosting network the impression that)
the ereader device is in compliance and in warranty.
But the key question, for me, at least, is not: Which list members
are skillful enough and willing enough to hack their ereader devices?
The key question is: How does, or how will, the academic world
regard hacked ereader devices and out of compliance access and use
of ebooks and other electronic resources?
This is not a simple and easy sort of question.
Is out of compliance access to and use of an ebook, for instance,
a variety of plagiarism? It certainly is a violation of digital rights.
Digital rights agreements serve, among other things, to ensure that
authors get paid for the sale of electronic versions of their writings.
Does the academic world intend to condone out of compliance access
and use that keeps authors from getting paid? Or give it a wink and
a nod?
Plenty of list members are authors. Some are publishers. Some are
professional academics in universities and other organizations. Out
of compliance ereader use and ebook access may entangle employers
and the workplace in a variety of liabilities and condemnations from
parties that demand only in compliance use and access.
Or put some folks between two stools as users and digital rights holders.
Honestly, I can't say how I might answer questions like these.
I mean, I see the advantages of hacked devices and wide access to
ebooks. But I also see the advantages of authors and publishers
getting justly paid for their work.
And I gotta say that digital rights are far more complicated vis a
vis reader/users than copyright for physical books. It's fairly safe
to presume that all the physical books in a university library, for
instance, are in copyright or out. We can look at a page with a date.
But with ebooks, we encounter a situation in which the identical
file may be in compliance for some and out of compliance for others.
Maybe we can tell which is which. Maybe we can't.
What I am coming to realize more and more, however, is that ereaders
and their uses and technologies require academia and intellectuals
to think long and hard about stuff that we scarcely imagined a few
years ago.
Musing Am I A Freewheeling Haxxor Or Do I Go By The Book? Rose,
Pitch
--
Regards,
Morgan Leigh
PhD Candidate
School of Sociology and Social Work
University of Tasmania
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:03:55 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Hi Pitch;
It occurs to me that for all of the years that teachers have been photocopying parts of books to share with a class that they have in fact been abusing someone's copyright. It is a difficult issue to decide who actually owns a book, even a hard copy. You may own the material that it is made from but someone else still owns the words that are written inside. So I think that the issue of compliance with copyright by the academic world is a bigger issue than just e-book use.
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 06:17:52 -0800
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]
Aloha,
On 11/5/2011 10:41 AM, janet ifimust wrote:
Is that the case, if the ebook has been stored elsewhere? Amazon
can delete something from my kindle - but if I have managed to
store it elsewhere, surely they would not be able to access it
there? On a pen drive, for example?
There are a range of possibilities here, depending on both
technical matters and an ereader user's willingness to go
beyond the letter of registration and warranty and digital
rights agreements.
Ereader--wireless--devices check in with their hosting servers
whenever they are able. Periodic check ins may even be required
for the ereader device to function easily in the hosting network
(that is, too long without a check in may lead to having to
reset the device and/or re-register back into the network).
So if the user wants to get ebooks from the edistributor,
the ereader has to stay more or less updated in the hosting
network. And the ereader device is reminded again and again
to search for files that are not supposed to be accessible by
the device. And get rid of them.
Edistributors cannot get at files user's store on separate chips
or drives. But users probably need to access those files with
ereaders intentionally set to an off-line status, if the files are
out of compliance with the edistributor's conditions in any manner.
And swap memory chips holding out of compliance files for
chips holding in compliance ones. Or take some other steps
to keep out of compliance files away from technical scrutiny.
Or users have to use other devices, like computers.
Reading and using the ebooks gets cumbersome. Users need
to swap chips in their ereader devices. Or switch among different
devices to access different (in compliance or out) files.
Ereader users who pay less attention to the strict requirements
of warranties, user registrations, and digital rights agreements
can, of course, find ways to use their devices in ways the
edistributors and authors and digital rights holders do not like.
Right now, I think that it's an open question how the academic
world looks at any out of compliance use or access of e-materials.
But I believe that, in cases involving physical printed materials,
the
academic world upholds in compliance use and access.
Musing Users Have One Set of Needs & Expectations,
Workplaces, Authors, Publishers, & Distributors Have Others!
Rose,
Pitch
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 05:03:37 +0000
From: Julie S Maclure <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Digest - 5 Nov 2011 to 6 Nov 2011 (#2011-277)
The best gadget ever to be invented so far is the iPad. It is quite expensive but with a wireless connection, can access the internet, has iTunes and has Apps and Ebooks etc. It does not support Microsoft Office but the screen is slightly larger than on a Kindle, has e-mail access.
Regards,
Julie S. MacLure MA(Hons)MEd MBPsS
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:53:55 +1100
From: Caroline Tully <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Yes, apparently Orwell's 1984, I think, was one of those books which the
publishers said "Nup, you're not having it" and it subsequently disappeared
from people's Kindle reader thingummys.
~Caroline.
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Samuel Wagar
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 4:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
This brings me to the matter of archiving.
One thing that this thread has made very clear to me is that
convenience of access does not mean security and stability
of archives. Not within the electronic domain. Not in the world.
A single instance confirmed me in my suspicious of ebooks. When Amazon was
starting up its ebook system, they sold several thousand copies of a book
which they did not have copyright clearance to sell. This was pointed out to
them by the irate publisher. Overnight, the book vanished from the ebook
readers of all those that had purchased it (and their accounts were credited
with the $1.50 they had spent). It would be very easy to do the same thing
with a list of "prohibited" books.
All control over the content of your electronic book reader at all times
rests in the hands of the distributor, not yourself.
I prefer my cumbersome, difficult to move, physical library (including my
copies of several books that are no doubt on some prescribed list or
another).
In the Name of Thoth,
Sam Wagar
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:17:31 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
I am not suggesting that all books be abandoned- heaven forbid! I like books too much to want to see them disappear. I just think that anybody who writes, or reads, should look at the opportunities that e-books offer.
As far as I know, mostly from reading the US copyright white paper, is that e-books have the same copyright coverage and laws as printed books. I think that kindle don't sell you the book so much as lease you a readable version for one device. Look on Scribd.com for PDFs, you can share them easily and store them on USB keys etc.
Caroline, if you want 1984 as an e-book you can download it at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/37945648/1984-orwell
I just want to say that this has been a great thread.
DGM
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:53:55 +1100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]
Yes, apparently Orwell’s 1984, I think, was one of those books
which the publishers said “Nup, you’re not having it” and it subsequently
disappeared from people’s Kindle reader thingummys.
~Caroline.
From: Society for The Academic Study of
Magic [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Samuel
Wagar
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 4:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
This brings me to the matter of
archiving.
One thing that this thread has made very clear to me is that
convenience of access does not mean security and stability
of archives. Not within the electronic domain. Not in the world.
A single instance confirmed me in my suspicious of ebooks. When
Amazon was starting up its ebook system, they sold several thousand copies of a
book which they did not have copyright clearance to sell. This was pointed out
to them by the irate publisher. Overnight, the book vanished from the ebook
readers of all those that had purchased it (and their accounts were credited
with the $1.50 they had spent). It would be very easy to do the same thing with
a list of "prohibited" books.
All control over the content of your electronic book reader at all
times rests in the hands of the distributor, not yourself.
I prefer my cumbersome, difficult to move, physical library
(including my copies of several books that are no doubt on some prescribed list
or another).
In the Name of Thoth,
Sam Wagar
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:34:21 +0100
From: Margaret Gouin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
On 6 November 2011 06:17, David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal
that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see
it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart
devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets
would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
The Amazon Kindle kerfuffle is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html
Lawsuits resulted, as I understand; not only did Amazon arbitrarily delete
the books, but its action also deleted all the notes people had made on
those books. Some of those people were students and academics, and they
were upset. A note about Kindle: not only does Amazon know exactly what you
have on your device, and not only can Amazon arbitrarily alter that, it
also knows where you are. Avoid them. They aren't just toys, they're
invasive toys.
I have a Bebook One. It handles 23 formats including Microsoft .doc and
.ppt, .jpg (black and white) and music (mp3). Also .html, I can download
articles and web pages directly to the Bebook and read while travelling or
whatever. I wouldn't be without mine, but still find that for serious
studying, I need hard copy. For the best electronic reading, Dave is right,
a computer works better than any of the alternatives--an inexpensive
netbook is a lightweight and flexible reading platform. At least that's
what I've worked out for my own reading.
Pitch--google 'remove DRM from ebook' and see how many hits you get. Once
the DRM is off the file, it can be shared as widely as you wish. Of course
you would only do this to lend your books to friends...
Margaret
--
Margaret Gouin
http://independent.academia.edu/ad3b
Author, Tibetan Rituals of Death : Buddhist funerary
practices<http://www.routledge.com/books/details/9780415566360/>
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:44:59 +0000
From: Dr Dave Evans <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
on the archiving side, this is something i wrote on the subject about 10
years ago, laughably overtaken by time in places, which maybe illustrates
how rapidly the subject is moving
yes re BeBook readers, i'm a convert too
Dave E
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Margaret Gouin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
On 6 November 2011 06:17, David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal
that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see
it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart
devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets
would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
The Amazon Kindle kerfuffle is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html
Lawsuits resulted, as I understand; not only did Amazon arbitrarily delete
the books, but its action also deleted all the notes people had made on
those books. Some of those people were students and academics, and they
were upset. A note about Kindle: not only does Amazon know exactly what you
have on your device, and not only can Amazon arbitrarily alter that, it
also knows where you are. Avoid them. They aren't just toys, they're
invasive toys.
I have a Bebook One. It handles 23 formats including Microsoft .doc and
.ppt, .jpg (black and white) and music (mp3). Also .html, I can download
articles and web pages directly to the Bebook and read while travelling or
whatever. I wouldn't be without mine, but still find that for serious
studying, I need hard copy. For the best electronic reading, Dave is right,
a computer works better than any of the alternatives--an inexpensive
netbook is a lightweight and flexible reading platform. At least that's
what I've worked out for my own reading.
Pitch--google 'remove DRM from ebook' and see how many hits you get. Once
the DRM is off the file, it can be shared as widely as you wish. Of course
you would only do this to lend your books to friends...
Margaret
--
Margaret Gouin
http://independent.academia.edu/ad3b
Author, Tibetan Rituals of Death : Buddhist funerary practices<http://www.routledge.com/books/details/9780415566360/>
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:12:02 +0000
From: Justin McKeown <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Hi Dave,
I couldn't see the link to your archiving article. Could you repost it to me?
Also on the subject of digital readers my Uni just gave me an iPad, which I'm finding very useful for ebooks and student dissertations alike. Though, as someone who is very computer literate, they are something of toy. They're for people who consume rather than create Information. I think that the division between those who consume and those who produce is something that is becoming more enshrined through the constructs of recent digital technology. Something to think about.
Justin
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Nov 2011, at 10:44, Dr Dave Evans <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
on the archiving side, this is something i wrote on the subject about 10 years ago, laughably overtaken by time in places, which maybe illustrates how rapidly the subject is moving
yes re BeBook readers, i'm a convert too
Dave E
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Margaret Gouin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
On 6 November 2011 06:17, David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
The Amazon Kindle kerfuffle is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html
Lawsuits resulted, as I understand; not only did Amazon arbitrarily delete the books, but its action also deleted all the notes people had made on those books. Some of those people were students and academics, and they were upset. A note about Kindle: not only does Amazon know exactly what you have on your device, and not only can Amazon arbitrarily alter that, it also knows where you are. Avoid them. They aren't just toys, they're invasive toys.
I have a Bebook One. It handles 23 formats including Microsoft .doc and .ppt, .jpg (black and white) and music (mp3). Also .html, I can download articles and web pages directly to the Bebook and read while travelling or whatever. I wouldn't be without mine, but still find that for serious studying, I need hard copy. For the best electronic reading, Dave is right, a computer works better than any of the alternatives--an inexpensive netbook is a lightweight and flexible reading platform. At least that's what I've worked out for my own reading.
Pitch--google 'remove DRM from ebook' and see how many hits you get. Once the DRM is off the file, it can be shared as widely as you wish. Of course you would only do this to lend your books to friends...
Margaret
--
Margaret Gouin
http://independent.academia.edu/ad3b
Author, Tibetan Rituals of Death : Buddhist funerary practices
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:20:14 +0000
From: Dr Dave Evans <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
http://www.occultebooks.com/articles/de_Electrickerydeclineofprint.htm
sorry trying to do 20 things at once!
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Justin McKeown <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
Hi Dave,
I couldn't see the link to your archiving article. Could you repost it to
me?
Also on the subject of digital readers my Uni just gave me an iPad, which
I'm finding very useful for ebooks and student dissertations alike. Though,
as someone who is very computer literate, they are something of toy.
They're for people who consume rather than create Information. I think
that the division between those who consume and those who produce is
something that is becoming more enshrined through the constructs of recent
digital technology. Something to think about.
Justin
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Nov 2011, at 10:44, Dr Dave Evans <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
on the archiving side, this is something i wrote on the subject about 10
years ago, laughably overtaken by time in places, which maybe illustrates
how rapidly the subject is moving
yes re BeBook readers, i'm a convert too
Dave E
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Margaret Gouin <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
On 6 November 2011 06:17, David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal
that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see
it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart
devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets
would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
The Amazon Kindle kerfuffle is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html
Lawsuits resulted, as I understand; not only did Amazon arbitrarily
delete the books, but its action also deleted all the notes people had made
on those books. Some of those people were students and academics, and they
were upset. A note about Kindle: not only does Amazon know exactly what you
have on your device, and not only can Amazon arbitrarily alter that, it
also knows where you are. Avoid them. They aren't just toys, they're
invasive toys.
I have a Bebook One. It handles 23 formats including Microsoft .doc and
.ppt, .jpg (black and white) and music (mp3). Also .html, I can download
articles and web pages directly to the Bebook and read while travelling or
whatever. I wouldn't be without mine, but still find that for serious
studying, I need hard copy. For the best electronic reading, Dave is right,
a computer works better than any of the alternatives--an inexpensive
netbook is a lightweight and flexible reading platform. At least that's
what I've worked out for my own reading.
Pitch--google 'remove DRM from ebook' and see how many hits you get. Once
the DRM is off the file, it can be shared as widely as you wish. Of course
you would only do this to lend your books to friends...
Margaret
--
Margaret Gouin
http://independent.academia.edu/ad3b
Author, Tibetan Rituals of Death : Buddhist funerary practices<http://www.routledge.com/books/details/9780415566360/>
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:43:00 +0000
From: Ben McDonald <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
These are legitimate concerns regarding the Kindle, yet I must admit, I've still not found any eReaders that are better ergonomically than the Kindle DXG. It has a 9.7" display with Pearl e-Ink, which handles PDFs well and is gentle on the eyes... unlike my netbook, whose tiny, high-intensity LCD screen has my retinas bubbling after an hour or so. (A netbook is also far too unwieldy to read in any of the unorthodox positions we like to settle into when reading, be that in bed, on a beanbag, or half-on half-off a couch. Let's not forget that the act of reading is also spatial!)
Nevertheless, agreed that the Kindle has some real issues on the software and privacy front. Buyers beware. Incidentally, those same issues can also be fixed by an intrepid user, but that leads off into a grey area of what is "appropriate" to do with the technology you've paid for...
All the best,
Ben
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:34:21 +0100, Margaret Gouin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
On 6 November 2011 06:17, David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal
that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see
it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart
devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets
would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
The Amazon Kindle kerfuffle is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html
Lawsuits resulted, as I understand; not only did Amazon arbitrarily delete
the books, but its action also deleted all the notes people had made on
those books. Some of those people were students and academics, and they
were upset. A note about Kindle: not only does Amazon know exactly what you
have on your device, and not only can Amazon arbitrarily alter that, it
also knows where you are. Avoid them. They aren't just toys, they're
invasive toys.
I have a Bebook One. It handles 23 formats including Microsoft .doc and
.ppt, .jpg (black and white) and music (mp3). Also .html, I can download
articles and web pages directly to the Bebook and read while travelling or
whatever. I wouldn't be without mine, but still find that for serious
studying, I need hard copy. For the best electronic reading, Dave is right,
a computer works better than any of the alternatives--an inexpensive
netbook is a lightweight and flexible reading platform. At least that's
what I've worked out for my own reading.
Pitch--google 'remove DRM from ebook' and see how many hits you get. Once
the DRM is off the file, it can be shared as widely as you wish. Of course
you would only do this to lend your books to friends...
Margaret
--
Margaret Gouin
http://independent.academia.edu/ad3b
Author, Tibetan Rituals of Death : Buddhist funerary
practices<http://www.routledge.com/books/details/9780415566360/>
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 06:17:52 -0800
From: Pitch <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Aloha,
On 11/5/2011 10:41 AM, janet ifimust wrote:
Is that the case, if the ebook has been stored elsewhere? Amazon can
delete something from my kindle - but if I have managed to store it
elsewhere, surely they would not be able to access it there? On a pen
drive, for example?
There are a range of possibilities here, depending on both
technical matters and an ereader user's willingness to go
beyond the letter of registration and warranty and digital
rights agreements.
Ereader--wireless--devices check in with their hosting servers
whenever they are able. Periodic check ins may even be required
for the ereader device to function easily in the hosting network
(that is, too long without a check in may lead to having to
reset the device and/or re-register back into the network).
So if the user wants to get ebooks from the edistributor,
the ereader has to stay more or less updated in the hosting
network. And the ereader device is reminded again and again
to search for files that are not supposed to be accessible by
the device. And get rid of them.
Edistributors cannot get at files user's store on separate chips
or drives. But users probably need to access those files with
ereaders intentionally set to an off-line status, if the files are
out of compliance with the edistributor's conditions in any manner.
And swap memory chips holding out of compliance files for
chips holding in compliance ones. Or take some other steps
to keep out of compliance files away from technical scrutiny.
Or users have to use other devices, like computers.
Reading and using the ebooks gets cumbersome. Users need
to swap chips in their ereader devices. Or switch among different
devices to access different (in compliance or out) files.
Ereader users who pay less attention to the strict requirements
of warranties, user registrations, and digital rights agreements
can, of course, find ways to use their devices in ways the
edistributors and authors and digital rights holders do not like.
Right now, I think that it's an open question how the academic
world looks at any out of compliance use or access of e-materials.
But I believe that, in cases involving physical printed materials, the
academic world upholds in compliance use and access.
Musing Users Have One Set of Needs & Expectations,
Workplaces, Authors, Publishers, & Distributors Have Others! Rose,
Pitch
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 07:27:12 -0700
From: Fritz Muntean <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: attending the AAR? There's an app for that!
Dear Ones,
You've probably already heard about this one, but if you (and your
iPhone) are attending the AAR, you'll want to check this out:
<http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/am11aar-sbl/id469535121?mt=8>
Bon temps rollez!
Fritz
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 07:45:50 -0800
From: Pitch <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Aloha,
On 11/6/2011 2:34 AM, Margaret Gouin wrote:
Pitch--google 'remove DRM from ebook' and see how many hits you get.
Once the DRM is off the file, it can be shared as widely as you wish.
Of course you would only do this to lend your books to friends...
Yes, ereader users may join the ranks of haxxors and leet haxxors,
modify components or elements of the warez that enable their devices
to do out of compliance things. We can take some pretty easy-to-do
steps to get our ereader devices to go beyond their designed-in
capabilities and functionality. Download a little software. Swap a
memory chip. Stuff like that.
Because, to remain in compliance with conditions of edistributor/
hosting network registration, device warranties, and digital rights
agreements, ereader devices are fettered. Out of the box, these
devices do not do all and everything that they--technically--potentially
can do. With a little hacking, higher end ereader devices (Color Nook,
for example) can be turned into pretty good Android tablet computers.
What's more, with a bit of care, the hacks can be done in a manner
that preserves (gives the hosting network the impression that)
the ereader device is in compliance and in warranty.
But the key question, for me, at least, is not: Which list members
are skillful enough and willing enough to hack their ereader devices?
The key question is: How does, or how will, the academic world
regard hacked ereader devices and out of compliance access and use
of ebooks and other electronic resources?
This is not a simple and easy sort of question.
Is out of compliance access to and use of an ebook, for instance,
a variety of plagiarism? It certainly is a violation of digital rights.
Digital rights agreements serve, among other things, to ensure that
authors get paid for the sale of electronic versions of their writings.
Does the academic world intend to condone out of compliance access
and use that keeps authors from getting paid? Or give it a wink and
a nod?
Plenty of list members are authors. Some are publishers. Some are
professional academics in universities and other organizations. Out
of compliance ereader use and ebook access may entangle employers
and the workplace in a variety of liabilities and condemnations from
parties that demand only in compliance use and access.
Or put some folks between two stools as users and digital rights holders.
Honestly, I can't say how I might answer questions like these.
I mean, I see the advantages of hacked devices and wide access to
ebooks. But I also see the advantages of authors and publishers
getting justly paid for their work.
And I gotta say that digital rights are far more complicated vis a
vis reader/users than copyright for physical books. It's fairly safe
to presume that all the physical books in a university library, for
instance, are in copyright or out. We can look at a page with a date.
But with ebooks, we encounter a situation in which the identical
file may be in compliance for some and out of compliance for others.
Maybe we can tell which is which. Maybe we can't.
What I am coming to realize more and more, however, is that ereaders
and their uses and technologies require academia and intellectuals
to think long and hard about stuff that we scarcely imagined a few
years ago.
Musing Am I A Freewheeling Haxxor Or Do I Go By The Book? Rose,
Pitch
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:06:44 +0000
From: Justin McKeown <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Thanks Dave,
J
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Nov 2011, at 13:20, Dr Dave Evans <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
http://www.occultebooks.com/articles/de_Electrickerydeclineofprint.htm sorry trying to do 20 things at once!
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Justin McKeown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Dave,
I couldn't see the link to your archiving article. Could you repost it to me?
Also on the subject of digital readers my Uni just gave me an iPad, which I'm finding very useful for ebooks and student dissertations alike. Though, as someone who is very computer literate, they are something of toy. They're for people who consume rather than create Information. I think that the division between those who consume and those who produce is something that is becoming more enshrined through the constructs of recent digital technology. Something to think about.
Justin
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Nov 2011, at 10:44, Dr Dave Evans <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
on the archiving side, this is something i wrote on the subject about 10 years ago, laughably overtaken by time in places, which maybe illustrates how rapidly the subject is moving
yes re BeBook readers, i'm a convert too
Dave E
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Margaret Gouin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
On 6 November 2011 06:17, David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
The Amazon Kindle kerfuffle is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html
Lawsuits resulted, as I understand; not only did Amazon arbitrarily delete the books, but its action also deleted all the notes people had made on those books. Some of those people were students and academics, and they were upset. A note about Kindle: not only does Amazon know exactly what you have on your device, and not only can Amazon arbitrarily alter that, it also knows where you are. Avoid them. They aren't just toys, they're invasive toys.
I have a Bebook One. It handles 23 formats including Microsoft .doc and .ppt, .jpg (black and white) and music (mp3). Also .html, I can download articles and web pages directly to the Bebook and read while travelling or whatever. I wouldn't be without mine, but still find that for serious studying, I need hard copy. For the best electronic reading, Dave is right, a computer works better than any of the alternatives--an inexpensive netbook is a lightweight and flexible reading platform. At least that's what I've worked out for my own reading.
Pitch--google 'remove DRM from ebook' and see how many hits you get. Once the DRM is off the file, it can be shared as widely as you wish. Of course you would only do this to lend your books to friends...
Margaret
--
Margaret Gouin
http://independent.academia.edu/ad3b
Author, Tibetan Rituals of Death : Buddhist funerary practices
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End of ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Digest - 5 Nov 2011 to 6 Nov 2011 (#2011-277)
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:54:09 -0800
From: "Magliocco, Sabina" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
David,
The use of photocopies of small amounts of copyrighted material from a book or journal for instructional purposes falls within what the law considers "fair use," and does not abuse copyright. Most classroom use of photocopies adheres to this definition. In cases where the material exceeds what is allowable by law, various methods exist to make students pay to use the material.
In case anyone is unclear on the concept, authors do not own copyright to their own materials in the majority of cases, and do not profit from these revenues. It is the publishing companies that profit.
Recent lawsuits by publishing congolomerates are challenging fair use laws, and the outcome of these is yet to be determined. But let's be clear on one thing: the long-term aim of publishing companies is to make all published material accessible only to paying customers. This ultimately restricts knowledge and information, and is not in anyone's best interest except for the publishing moguls themselves. That's why the American Folklore Society, among othe rlearned societies, has taken steps, through Open Folklore, to make as much pubished material free and accessible to everyone as possible, and to ensure that contributors to its flagship journal, Journal of American Folklore, will retain copyright to the works they publish in it, so they can also be made open access.
Best,
Sabina Magliocco
Professor
Department of Anthropology
California State University - Northridge
[log in to unmask]
________________________________________
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Mattichak [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:03 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
Hi Pitch;
It occurs to me that for all of the years that teachers have been photocopying parts of books to share with a class that they have in fact been abusing someone's copyright. It is a difficult issue to decide who actually owns a book, even a hard copy. You may own the material that it is made from but someone else still owns the words that are written inside. So I think that the issue of compliance with copyright by the academic world is a bigger issue than just e-book use.
________________________________
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 06:17:52 -0800
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]
Aloha,
On 11/5/2011 10:41 AM, janet ifimust wrote:
Is that the case, if the ebook has been stored elsewhere? Amazon can delete something from my kindle - but if I have managed to store it elsewhere, surely they would not be able to access it there? On a pen drive, for example?
There are a range of possibilities here, depending on both
technical matters and an ereader user's willingness to go
beyond the letter of registration and warranty and digital
rights agreements.
Ereader--wireless--devices check in with their hosting servers
whenever they are able. Periodic check ins may even be required
for the ereader device to function easily in the hosting network
(that is, too long without a check in may lead to having to
reset the device and/or re-register back into the network).
So if the user wants to get ebooks from the edistributor,
the ereader has to stay more or less updated in the hosting
network. And the ereader device is reminded again and again
to search for files that are not supposed to be accessible by
the device. And get rid of them.
Edistributors cannot get at files user's store on separate chips
or drives. But users probably need to access those files with
ereaders intentionally set to an off-line status, if the files are
out of compliance with the edistributor's conditions in any manner.
And swap memory chips holding out of compliance files for
chips holding in compliance ones. Or take some other steps
to keep out of compliance files away from technical scrutiny.
Or users have to use other devices, like computers.
Reading and using the ebooks gets cumbersome. Users need
to swap chips in their ereader devices. Or switch among different
devices to access different (in compliance or out) files.
Ereader users who pay less attention to the strict requirements
of warranties, user registrations, and digital rights agreements
can, of course, find ways to use their devices in ways the
edistributors and authors and digital rights holders do not like.
Right now, I think that it's an open question how the academic
world looks at any out of compliance use or access of e-materials.
But I believe that, in cases involving physical printed materials, the
academic world upholds in compliance use and access.
Musing Users Have One Set of Needs & Expectations,
Workplaces, Authors, Publishers, & Distributors Have Others! Rose,
Pitch
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:50:18 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Sabina;
So long as fair use is adhered to then that is a good thing. I would really have no objections to my own work being used in this way. So cutting and pasting froman e-book could be considered as fair use too then couldn't it? How far does fair use extend? As an author I am genuinely interested in what is considered fair to use.
I have two books that are published and I own the copyrights to both. The publisher takes their cut (the lion's share of course) from the sale of the physical printed books but I own the written words inside. I am in the process of eliminating the publisher from the equation to increase my share of the cover price. This is becoming very common among authors now who have been dissatisfied with the traditional publishers for a long time. Most authors are keen to make some money from their work but also see the value in establishing relationships with readers and so, I suspect, would be more inclined to share than a publishing mogul would. I would certainly be happy to send you a copy of my book if it was useful for some reason simply because it would establish a relationship with someone who would share that experience and probably sell more books- it is good business to share and maybe that is why traditional publishers are feeling the pinch now.
David
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:54:09 -0800
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]
David,
The use of photocopies of small amounts of copyrighted material from a book or journal for instructional purposes falls within what the law considers "fair use," and does not abuse copyright. Most classroom use of photocopies adheres to this definition. In cases where the material exceeds what is allowable by law, various methods exist to make students pay to use the material.
In case anyone is unclear on the concept, authors do not own copyright to their own materials in the majority of cases, and do not profit from these revenues. It is the publishing companies that profit.
Recent lawsuits by publishing congolomerates are challenging fair use laws, and the outcome of these is yet to be determined. But let's be clear on one thing: the long-term aim of publishing companies is to make all published material accessible only to paying customers. This ultimately restricts knowledge and information, and is not in anyone's best interest except for the publishing moguls themselves. That's why the American Folklore Society, among othe rlearned societies, has taken steps, through Open Folklore, to make as much pubished material free and accessible to everyone as possible, and to ensure that contributors to its flagship journal, Journal of American Folklore, will retain copyright to the works they publish in it, so they can also be made open access.
Best,
Sabina Magliocco
Professor
Department of Anthropology
California State University - Northridge
[log in to unmask]
________________________________________
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Mattichak [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:03 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
Hi Pitch;
It occurs to me that for all of the years that teachers have been photocopying parts of books to share with a class that they have in fact been abusing someone's copyright. It is a difficult issue to decide who actually owns a book, even a hard copy. You may own the material that it is made from but someone else still owns the words that are written inside. So I think that the issue of compliance with copyright by the academic world is a bigger issue than just e-book use.
________________________________
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 06:17:52 -0800
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]
Aloha,
On 11/5/2011 10:41 AM, janet ifimust wrote:
Is that the case, if the ebook has been stored elsewhere? Amazon can delete something from my kindle - but if I have managed to store it elsewhere, surely they would not be able to access it there? On a pen drive, for example?
There are a range of possibilities here, depending on both
technical matters and an ereader user's willingness to go
beyond the letter of registration and warranty and digital
rights agreements.
Ereader--wireless--devices check in with their hosting servers
whenever they are able. Periodic check ins may even be required
for the ereader device to function easily in the hosting network
(that is, too long without a check in may lead to having to
reset the device and/or re-register back into the network).
So if the user wants to get ebooks from the edistributor,
the ereader has to stay more or less updated in the hosting
network. And the ereader device is reminded again and again
to search for files that are not supposed to be accessible by
the device. And get rid of them.
Edistributors cannot get at files user's store on separate chips
or drives. But users probably need to access those files with
ereaders intentionally set to an off-line status, if the files are
out of compliance with the edistributor's conditions in any manner.
And swap memory chips holding out of compliance files for
chips holding in compliance ones. Or take some other steps
to keep out of compliance files away from technical scrutiny.
Or users have to use other devices, like computers.
Reading and using the ebooks gets cumbersome. Users need
to swap chips in their ereader devices. Or switch among different
devices to access different (in compliance or out) files.
Ereader users who pay less attention to the strict requirements
of warranties, user registrations, and digital rights agreements
can, of course, find ways to use their devices in ways the
edistributors and authors and digital rights holders do not like.
Right now, I think that it's an open question how the academic
world looks at any out of compliance use or access of e-materials.
But I believe that, in cases involving physical printed materials, the
academic world upholds in compliance use and access.
Musing Users Have One Set of Needs & Expectations,
Workplaces, Authors, Publishers, & Distributors Have Others! Rose,
Pitch
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:33:25 +1100
From: Morgan Leigh <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Digest - 5 Nov 2011 to 6 Nov 2011 (#2011-277)
Sadly the iPad suffers from the same problem as the Kindle in that Apple
is the central repository and know and monitors what books you have and
has the ability to remove things as it sees fit.
Apple is also severely anti anything that you might choose to access
from any source other than their app store, over which they excise an
iron grip. See - http://www.nothingbuttablets.com/4714 Apple forces
eBook apps to remove links to out-of-app book stores
http://www.ebookmagazine.co.uk/removal-of-in-app-store-link-prompts-anger-complaints-and-confusion/20111840
- Removal of in-app store links prompts anger, complaints and confusion
Regards,
Morgan Leigh
PhD Candidate
School of Sociology and Social Work
University of Tasmania
On 7/11/2011 4:03 PM, Julie S Maclure wrote:
The best gadget ever to be invented so far is the iPad. It is quite expensive but with a wireless connection, can access the internet, has iTunes and has Apps and Ebooks etc. It does not support Microsoft Office but the screen is slightly larger than on a Kindle, has e-mail access.
Regards,
Julie S. MacLure MA(Hons)MEd MBPsS
On 7 Nov 2011, at 00:00, ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC automatic digest system <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
There are 11 messages totaling 1881 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Academic ebooks (10)
2. attending the AAR? There's an app for that!
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:53:55 +1100
From: Caroline Tully <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Yes, apparently Orwell's 1984, I think, was one of those books which the
publishers said "Nup, you're not having it" and it subsequently disappeared
from people's Kindle reader thingummys.
~Caroline.
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Samuel Wagar
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 4:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
This brings me to the matter of archiving.
One thing that this thread has made very clear to me is that
convenience of access does not mean security and stability
of archives. Not within the electronic domain. Not in the world.
A single instance confirmed me in my suspicious of ebooks. When Amazon was
starting up its ebook system, they sold several thousand copies of a book
which they did not have copyright clearance to sell. This was pointed out to
them by the irate publisher. Overnight, the book vanished from the ebook
readers of all those that had purchased it (and their accounts were credited
with the $1.50 they had spent). It would be very easy to do the same thing
with a list of "prohibited" books.
All control over the content of your electronic book reader at all times
rests in the hands of the distributor, not yourself.
I prefer my cumbersome, difficult to move, physical library (including my
copies of several books that are no doubt on some prescribed list or
another).
In the Name of Thoth,
Sam Wagar
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:17:31 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
I am not suggesting that all books be abandoned- heaven forbid! I like books too much to want to see them disappear. I just think that anybody who writes, or reads, should look at the opportunities that e-books offer.
As far as I know, mostly from reading the US copyright white paper, is that e-books have the same copyright coverage and laws as printed books. I think that kindle don't sell you the book so much as lease you a readable version for one device. Look on Scribd.com for PDFs, you can share them easily and store them on USB keys etc.
Caroline, if you want 1984 as an e-book you can download it at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/37945648/1984-orwell
I just want to say that this has been a great thread.
DGM
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:53:55 +1100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]
Yes, apparently Orwell’s 1984, I think, was one of those books
which the publishers said “Nup, you’re not having it” and it subsequently
disappeared from people’s Kindle reader thingummys.
~Caroline.
From: Society for The Academic Study of
Magic [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Samuel
Wagar
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 4:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
This brings me to the matter of
archiving.
One thing that this thread has made very clear to me is that
convenience of access does not mean security and stability
of archives. Not within the electronic domain. Not in the world.
A single instance confirmed me in my suspicious of ebooks. When
Amazon was starting up its ebook system, they sold several thousand copies of a
book which they did not have copyright clearance to sell. This was pointed out
to them by the irate publisher. Overnight, the book vanished from the ebook
readers of all those that had purchased it (and their accounts were credited
with the $1.50 they had spent). It would be very easy to do the same thing with
a list of "prohibited" books.
All control over the content of your electronic book reader at all
times rests in the hands of the distributor, not yourself.
I prefer my cumbersome, difficult to move, physical library
(including my copies of several books that are no doubt on some prescribed list
or another).
In the Name of Thoth,
Sam Wagar
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:34:21 +0100
From: Margaret Gouin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
On 6 November 2011 06:17, David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal
that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see
it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart
devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets
would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
The Amazon Kindle kerfuffle is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html
Lawsuits resulted, as I understand; not only did Amazon arbitrarily delete
the books, but its action also deleted all the notes people had made on
those books. Some of those people were students and academics, and they
were upset. A note about Kindle: not only does Amazon know exactly what you
have on your device, and not only can Amazon arbitrarily alter that, it
also knows where you are. Avoid them. They aren't just toys, they're
invasive toys.
I have a Bebook One. It handles 23 formats including Microsoft .doc and
.ppt, .jpg (black and white) and music (mp3). Also .html, I can download
articles and web pages directly to the Bebook and read while travelling or
whatever. I wouldn't be without mine, but still find that for serious
studying, I need hard copy. For the best electronic reading, Dave is right,
a computer works better than any of the alternatives--an inexpensive
netbook is a lightweight and flexible reading platform. At least that's
what I've worked out for my own reading.
Pitch--google 'remove DRM from ebook' and see how many hits you get. Once
the DRM is off the file, it can be shared as widely as you wish. Of course
you would only do this to lend your books to friends...
Margaret
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:02:57 +1100
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Subject: New issue Metaverse Creativity
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:09:09 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: New issue Metaverse Creativity
I do a bit of gaming and have a couple of online aliases and have often wondered about a possible connection on the level of spirit or maybe air to my elemental being. Avatars are an interesting cyber development.
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:02:57 +1100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] New issue Metaverse Creativity
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I know some people on this list are into Second Life…
Subject: New issue Metaverse
Creativity
Metaverse Creativity
Intellect is delighted to announce
the publication of the second issue of Metaverse Creativity (1.2)
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an examination of creativity in the user defined online virtual worlds
known as the metaverse. The pursuit of creative activity has become the
most prevalent reason for residency in a simulated world such as Second
Life®, as it is an intrinsically unstructured environment which allows
for creative freedom. The journal examines artistic output within a
metaverse whilst also discussing other disciplines that make up virtual
worlds, such as fashion, architecture, landscaping and object design.
In this issue,
Laura Beloff explores the relationship between body attachments worn by
the 'real' self and the avatar self, exploring the concept of self as
performance. Mehrdad Garousi examines the impact of new fractional
dimensions on the metaverse and Mario Gerosa looks at the avatar as a new
primary form of art. Katerina Karoussos and Dew Harrison question the
notions of identity and reality in an era of new perceptions of human
space, while in her article on hallucination in relation to computer simulation,
Jennifer Kanary Nikolov questions the idea of a 'reality disorder' and
asks, what is true perception?
Subscribe to this journal...
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:51:49 +0000
From: Julie S Maclure <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Digest - 5 Nov 2011 to 6 Nov 2011 (#2011-277)
Dear Morgan,
As an ICT specialist, I can pass on some information to your goodself about the IPad.
It, as like all machinery needs to be kept up to date and virus free. Apple, like all other computer manufacturers provide a recovery service if anything goes wrong with the hard ware or software if you pay a recovery premium to the firm, and they even help you set up the gadget for a price. Anyone whom has access, can browse the Internet to find a package such as this. Hope you find what you are looking for.
Kindest Regards,
J.S. MacLure MA(Hons) MBPsS MEd
On 7 Nov 2011, at 08:33, Morgan Leigh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Sadly the iPad suffers from the same problem as the Kindle in that Apple
is the central repository and know and monitors what books you have and
has the ability to remove things as it sees fit.
Apple is also severely anti anything that you might choose to access
from any source other than their app store, over which they excise an
iron grip. See - http://www.nothingbuttablets.com/4714 Apple forces
eBook apps to remove links to out-of-app book stores
http://www.ebookmagazine.co.uk/removal-of-in-app-store-link-prompts-anger-complaints-and-confusion/20111840
- Removal of in-app store links prompts anger, complaints and confusion
Regards,
Morgan Leigh
PhD Candidate
School of Sociology and Social Work
University of Tasmania
On 7/11/2011 4:03 PM, Julie S Maclure wrote:
The best gadget ever to be invented so far is the iPad. It is quite expensive but with a wireless connection, can access the internet, has iTunes and has Apps and Ebooks etc. It does not support Microsoft Office but the screen is slightly larger than on a Kindle, has e-mail access.
Regards,
Julie S. MacLure MA(Hons)MEd MBPsS
On 7 Nov 2011, at 00:00, ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC automatic digest system <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
There are 11 messages totaling 1881 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Academic ebooks (10)
2. attending the AAR? There's an app for that!
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:53:55 +1100
From: Caroline Tully <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Yes, apparently Orwell's 1984, I think, was one of those books which the
publishers said "Nup, you're not having it" and it subsequently disappeared
from people's Kindle reader thingummys.
~Caroline.
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Samuel Wagar
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 4:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
This brings me to the matter of archiving.
One thing that this thread has made very clear to me is that
convenience of access does not mean security and stability
of archives. Not within the electronic domain. Not in the world.
A single instance confirmed me in my suspicious of ebooks. When Amazon was
starting up its ebook system, they sold several thousand copies of a book
which they did not have copyright clearance to sell. This was pointed out to
them by the irate publisher. Overnight, the book vanished from the ebook
readers of all those that had purchased it (and their accounts were credited
with the $1.50 they had spent). It would be very easy to do the same thing
with a list of "prohibited" books.
All control over the content of your electronic book reader at all times
rests in the hands of the distributor, not yourself.
I prefer my cumbersome, difficult to move, physical library (including my
copies of several books that are no doubt on some prescribed list or
another).
In the Name of Thoth,
Sam Wagar
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:17:31 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
I am not suggesting that all books be abandoned- heaven forbid! I like books too much to want to see them disappear. I just think that anybody who writes, or reads, should look at the opportunities that e-books offer.
As far as I know, mostly from reading the US copyright white paper, is that e-books have the same copyright coverage and laws as printed books. I think that kindle don't sell you the book so much as lease you a readable version for one device. Look on Scribd.com for PDFs, you can share them easily and store them on USB keys etc.
Caroline, if you want 1984 as an e-book you can download it at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/37945648/1984-orwell
I just want to say that this has been a great thread.
DGM
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:53:55 +1100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]
Yes, apparently Orwell’s 1984, I think, was one of those books
which the publishers said “Nup, you’re not having it” and it subsequently
disappeared from people’s Kindle reader thingummys.
~Caroline.
From: Society for The Academic Study of
Magic [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Samuel
Wagar
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 4:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
This brings me to the matter of
archiving.
One thing that this thread has made very clear to me is that
convenience of access does not mean security and stability
of archives. Not within the electronic domain. Not in the world.
A single instance confirmed me in my suspicious of ebooks. When
Amazon was starting up its ebook system, they sold several thousand copies of a
book which they did not have copyright clearance to sell. This was pointed out
to them by the irate publisher. Overnight, the book vanished from the ebook
readers of all those that had purchased it (and their accounts were credited
with the $1.50 they had spent). It would be very easy to do the same thing with
a list of "prohibited" books.
All control over the content of your electronic book reader at all
times rests in the hands of the distributor, not yourself.
I prefer my cumbersome, difficult to move, physical library
(including my copies of several books that are no doubt on some prescribed list
or another).
In the Name of Thoth,
Sam Wagar
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:34:21 +0100
From: Margaret Gouin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
On 6 November 2011 06:17, David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal
that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see
it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart
devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets
would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
The Amazon Kindle kerfuffle is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html
Lawsuits resulted, as I understand; not only did Amazon arbitrarily delete
the books, but its action also deleted all the notes people had made on
those books. Some of those people were students and academics, and they
were upset. A note about Kindle: not only does Amazon know exactly what you
have on your device, and not only can Amazon arbitrarily alter that, it
also knows where you are. Avoid them. They aren't just toys, they're
invasive toys.
I have a Bebook One. It handles 23 formats including Microsoft .doc and
.ppt, .jpg (black and white) and music (mp3). Also .html, I can download
articles and web pages directly to the Bebook and read while travelling or
whatever. I wouldn't be without mine, but still find that for serious
studying, I need hard copy. For the best electronic reading, Dave is right,
a computer works better than any of the alternatives--an inexpensive
netbook is a lightweight and flexible reading platform. At least that's
what I've worked out for my own reading.
Pitch--google 'remove DRM from ebook' and see how many hits you get. Once
the DRM is off the file, it can be shared as widely as you wish. Of course
you would only do this to lend your books to friends...
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:13:24 +1100
From: Morgan Leigh <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Digest - 5 Nov 2011 to 6 Nov 2011 (#2011-277)
Greetings Julie,
Thank you for your nice reply. While my signature conveys the message
that I am a Sociologist, actually I am a geek. :) My PhD is about
Religion in Virtual Worlds. I am not actually looking for an ebook
reader, as I already have an Android device which I use for that
purpose, although I much prefer audio books. My intent in my post was to
add some info to the discussion in order to balance the optimism
expressed by the poster of the 'iPods are awesome' post. In truth, all
ebooks are a vexxed issue at present, and will remain so until the
digital publishing mess gets sorted. I prophesy that; DRM will die, mega
publishers will disappear, while niche publishers will remain, with most
of the income of sales going to authors, who will give away ebook copies
of their books with no DRM.
Regards,
Morgan Leigh
PhD Candidate
School of Sociology and Social Work
University of Tasmania
On 7/11/2011 9:51 PM, Julie S Maclure wrote:
Dear Morgan,
As an ICT specialist, I can pass on some information to your goodself about the IPad.
It, as like all machinery needs to be kept up to date and virus free. Apple, like all other computer manufacturers provide a recovery service if anything goes wrong with the hard ware or software if you pay a recovery premium to the firm, and they even help you set up the gadget for a price. Anyone whom has access, can browse the Internet to find a package such as this. Hope you find what you are looking for.
Kindest Regards,
J.S. MacLure MA(Hons) MBPsS MEd
On 7 Nov 2011, at 08:33, Morgan Leigh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Sadly the iPad suffers from the same problem as the Kindle in that Apple
is the central repository and know and monitors what books you have and
has the ability to remove things as it sees fit.
Apple is also severely anti anything that you might choose to access
from any source other than their app store, over which they excise an
iron grip. See - http://www.nothingbuttablets.com/4714 Apple forces
eBook apps to remove links to out-of-app book stores
http://www.ebookmagazine.co.uk/removal-of-in-app-store-link-prompts-anger-complaints-and-confusion/20111840
- Removal of in-app store links prompts anger, complaints and confusion
Regards,
Morgan Leigh
PhD Candidate
School of Sociology and Social Work
University of Tasmania
On 7/11/2011 4:03 PM, Julie S Maclure wrote:
The best gadget ever to be invented so far is the iPad. It is quite expensive but with a wireless connection, can access the internet, has iTunes and has Apps and Ebooks etc. It does not support Microsoft Office but the screen is slightly larger than on a Kindle, has e-mail access.
Regards,
Julie S. MacLure MA(Hons)MEd MBPsS
On 7 Nov 2011, at 00:00, ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC automatic digest system <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
There are 11 messages totaling 1881 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Academic ebooks (10)
2. attending the AAR? There's an app for that!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:53:55 +1100
From: Caroline Tully <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Yes, apparently Orwell's 1984, I think, was one of those books which the
publishers said "Nup, you're not having it" and it subsequently disappeared
from people's Kindle reader thingummys.
~Caroline.
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Samuel Wagar
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 4:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
This brings me to the matter of archiving.
One thing that this thread has made very clear to me is that
convenience of access does not mean security and stability
of archives. Not within the electronic domain. Not in the world.
A single instance confirmed me in my suspicious of ebooks. When Amazon was
starting up its ebook system, they sold several thousand copies of a book
which they did not have copyright clearance to sell. This was pointed out to
them by the irate publisher. Overnight, the book vanished from the ebook
readers of all those that had purchased it (and their accounts were credited
with the $1.50 they had spent). It would be very easy to do the same thing
with a list of "prohibited" books.
All control over the content of your electronic book reader at all times
rests in the hands of the distributor, not yourself.
I prefer my cumbersome, difficult to move, physical library (including my
copies of several books that are no doubt on some prescribed list or
another).
In the Name of Thoth,
Sam Wagar
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:17:31 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
I am not suggesting that all books be abandoned- heaven forbid! I like books too much to want to see them disappear. I just think that anybody who writes, or reads, should look at the opportunities that e-books offer.
As far as I know, mostly from reading the US copyright white paper, is that e-books have the same copyright coverage and laws as printed books. I think that kindle don't sell you the book so much as lease you a readable version for one device. Look on Scribd.com for PDFs, you can share them easily and store them on USB keys etc.
Caroline, if you want 1984 as an e-book you can download it at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/37945648/1984-orwell
I just want to say that this has been a great thread.
DGM
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:53:55 +1100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]
Yes, apparently Orwell’s 1984, I think, was one of those books
which the publishers said “Nup, you’re not having it” and it subsequently
disappeared from people’s Kindle reader thingummys.
~Caroline.
From: Society for The Academic Study of
Magic [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Samuel
Wagar
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 4:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
This brings me to the matter of
archiving.
One thing that this thread has made very clear to me is that
convenience of access does not mean security and stability
of archives. Not within the electronic domain. Not in the world.
A single instance confirmed me in my suspicious of ebooks. When
Amazon was starting up its ebook system, they sold several thousand copies of a
book which they did not have copyright clearance to sell. This was pointed out
to them by the irate publisher. Overnight, the book vanished from the ebook
readers of all those that had purchased it (and their accounts were credited
with the $1.50 they had spent). It would be very easy to do the same thing with
a list of "prohibited" books.
All control over the content of your electronic book reader at all
times rests in the hands of the distributor, not yourself.
I prefer my cumbersome, difficult to move, physical library
(including my copies of several books that are no doubt on some prescribed list
or another).
In the Name of Thoth,
Sam Wagar
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:34:21 +0100
From: Margaret Gouin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
On 6 November 2011 06:17, David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal
that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see
it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart
devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets
would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
The Amazon Kindle kerfuffle is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html
Lawsuits resulted, as I understand; not only did Amazon arbitrarily delete
the books, but its action also deleted all the notes people had made on
those books. Some of those people were students and academics, and they
were upset. A note about Kindle: not only does Amazon know exactly what you
have on your device, and not only can Amazon arbitrarily alter that, it
also knows where you are. Avoid them. They aren't just toys, they're
invasive toys.
I have a Bebook One. It handles 23 formats including Microsoft .doc and
.ppt, .jpg (black and white) and music (mp3). Also .html, I can download
articles and web pages directly to the Bebook and read while travelling or
whatever. I wouldn't be without mine, but still find that for serious
studying, I need hard copy. For the best electronic reading, Dave is right,
a computer works better than any of the alternatives--an inexpensive
netbook is a lightweight and flexible reading platform. At least that's
what I've worked out for my own reading.
Pitch--google 'remove DRM from ebook' and see how many hits you get. Once
the DRM is off the file, it can be shared as widely as you wish. Of course
you would only do this to lend your books to friends...
Margaret
--
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:32:15 -0800
From: Pitch <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Aloha,
On 11/6/2011 10:54 PM, Magliocco, Sabina wrote:
The use of photocopies of small amounts of copyrighted material from a
book or journal for >instructional purposes falls within what the law
considers "fair use," and does not abuse copyright. >Most classroom use
of photocopies adheres to this definition. In cases where the material
exceeds >what is allowable by law, various methods exist to make
students pay to use the material.
I vaguely recall some instances in Berkeley (early 90s???) in which
aggregators of material for classroom anthologies (copy shops cooperating
with departments and profs) were halted from doing this on a grand scale
because it violated copyrights. Cost, student access, and teaching ease of
use were minor considerations.
In case anyone is unclear on the concept, authors do not own copyright
to their own materials in >the majority of cases, and do not profit from
these revenues. It is the publishing companies that >profit. Recent
lawsuits by publishing conglomerates are challenging fair use laws, and
the >outcome of these is yet to be determined. But let's be clear on one
thing: the long-term aim of >publishing companies is to make all
published material accessible only to paying customers.
Here is one of those instances where our established models and notions
probably do not match up well with the situation on the ground. I think
that most of the parties that insist on play-for-pay are probably not
"publishers" the way we are accustomed to think of physical book
publishers.
What's crucial for them, instead, is the role of gate-keeping, so that
access
to ebooks occurs primarily--or exclusively--through their portals and
networks
on their approved devices. Apple is a technology company. Amazon is
an online re-seller with a technology arm. Barnes & Noble is a physical
bookseller, yes, but again, with a technology arm.
I think that with ebooks, what matters is whose hands are on the gate
latches.
Not who creates or buffs up or promotes specific content. Gatekeepers get
paid for access to every ebook they provide, no matter who is the
publisher/author/issuing agency. I suppose that I'm suggesting that we
pay attention to who gets at more of the revenue stream, which,
coincidentally,
happens to be the information stream.
Parties involved in the content side, like physical book publishers, are
pretty much playing catch-up. Various factions of publishing companies
ally now with Apple, then with Amazon, then again with some other,
in order to stay in the game.
Authors seem to be all over the field about ebooks. But, with the possible
exception of a small number of established best selling ones, the
gatekeepers
don't appear to bother too much with their interests or concerns. The
gatekeepers are willing and able to give authors some money. So long
as the gatekeepers control access and use.
Let me be clear. I agree with Sabina's fundamental point--Gatekeepers
do want to control--and to get paid for--access to and use of ebooks.
Control of all access is OK by them. They use all sorts of methods to
gain and to keep that control. I just don't think that the gatekeepers
are necessarily publishers.
This ultimately restricts knowledge and information, and is not in
anyone's best interest except for >the publishing moguls themselves.
That's why the American Folklore Society, among other learned
societies, has taken steps, through Open Folklore, to make as much
published material free and >accessible to everyone as possible, and to
ensure that contributors to its flagship journal, Journal >of American
Folklore, will retain copyright to the works they publish in it, so they
can also be >made open access.
Myself, I heartily endorse open access.
Musing Access To Some Information Is Not Access To Useful & Reliable
Information! Rose,
Pitch
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:47:14 +0000
From: Dr Dave Evans <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
its going to be very interesting when someone gets caught for citing
numerous ebook versions of "text x,y,z... etc" when they've not been
commercially produced as an ebook.... correct citation not being plagirism,
but academically and financially: 'theft' ....
Dave E
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Pitch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Aloha,
On 11/6/2011 10:54 PM, Magliocco, Sabina wrote:
The use of photocopies of small amounts of copyrighted material from a
book or journal for >instructional purposes falls within what the law
considers "fair use," and does not abuse copyright. >Most classroom use of
photocopies adheres to this definition. In cases where the material exceeds
what is allowable by law, various methods exist to make students pay to
use the material.
I vaguely recall some instances in Berkeley (early 90s???) in which
aggregators of material for classroom anthologies (copy shops cooperating
with departments and profs) were halted from doing this on a grand scale
because it violated copyrights. Cost, student access, and teaching ease of
use were minor considerations.
In case anyone is unclear on the concept, authors do not own copyright to
their own materials in >the majority of cases, and do not profit from these
revenues. It is the publishing companies that >profit. Recent lawsuits by
publishing conglomerates are challenging fair use laws, and the >outcome of
these is yet to be determined. But let's be clear on one thing: the
long-term aim of >publishing companies is to make all published material
accessible only to paying customers.
Here is one of those instances where our established models and notions
probably do not match up well with the situation on the ground. I think
that most of the parties that insist on play-for-pay are probably not
"publishers" the way we are accustomed to think of physical book
publishers.
What's crucial for them, instead, is the role of gate-keeping, so that
access
to ebooks occurs primarily--or exclusively--through their portals and
networks
on their approved devices. Apple is a technology company. Amazon is
an online re-seller with a technology arm. Barnes & Noble is a physical
bookseller, yes, but again, with a technology arm.
I think that with ebooks, what matters is whose hands are on the gate
latches.
Not who creates or buffs up or promotes specific content. Gatekeepers get
paid for access to every ebook they provide, no matter who is the
publisher/author/issuing agency. I suppose that I'm suggesting that we
pay attention to who gets at more of the revenue stream, which,
coincidentally,
happens to be the information stream.
Parties involved in the content side, like physical book publishers, are
pretty much playing catch-up. Various factions of publishing companies
ally now with Apple, then with Amazon, then again with some other,
in order to stay in the game.
Authors seem to be all over the field about ebooks. But, with the possible
exception of a small number of established best selling ones, the
gatekeepers
don't appear to bother too much with their interests or concerns. The
gatekeepers are willing and able to give authors some money. So long
as the gatekeepers control access and use.
Let me be clear. I agree with Sabina's fundamental point--Gatekeepers
do want to control--and to get paid for--access to and use of ebooks.
Control of all access is OK by them. They use all sorts of methods to
gain and to keep that control. I just don't think that the gatekeepers
are necessarily publishers.
This ultimately restricts knowledge and information, and is not in
anyone's best interest except for >the publishing moguls themselves. That's
why the American Folklore Society, among other learned >societies, has
taken steps, through Open Folklore, to make as much published material free
and >accessible to everyone as possible, and to ensure that contributors to
its flagship journal, Journal >of American Folklore, will retain copyright
to the works they publish in it, so they can also be >made open access.
Myself, I heartily endorse open access.
Musing Access To Some Information Is Not Access To Useful & Reliable
Information! Rose,
Pitch
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:31:19 -0500
From: Daniel Harms <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
From my best "I'm not a lawyer" perspective:
Fair use in the United States has four guidelines: the type of work (usually fiction versus non-fiction), the amount of the work published, whether the material is used for educational or commercial purposes, and the effect on the market for the work. In practice, the fourth item is most important, followed by the third.
Note that these are guidelines. The only person who can really tell you whether you're adhering to fair use is a judge. This leads to all sorts of interesting stipulations from institutions and publishers (such as "reproduce one article from this source a year" or "quote no more than 100 words") which might not stand up in court but simply create a climate of plausible deniability and make everyone feel accomplished.
The good news for US educators is that, if you adhere to your institution's copyright procedures regarding online documents, course packets and the like AND can prove that you considered the four factors in good faith when using material for educational purposes (e.g. sending yourself an email outlining your thoughts on a particular usage), you will likely be fine. The law in many cases will exempt you from paying damages for such use, which effectively means no one will really bother to sue you. The exception here is streaming video clips across a network, which gets very tricky.
If any of that is incorrect, I'd encourage someone to speak up about it.
Thanks,
Dan Harms
Bibliographer and Instructional Services Librarian
SUNY Cortland Memorial Library
P. O. Box 2000
Cortland, NY 13045
(607) 753-4042
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Mattichak
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 2:50 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
Sabina;
So long as fair use is adhered to then that is a good thing. I would really have no objections to my own work being used in this way. So cutting and pasting froman e-book could be considered as fair use too then couldn't it? How far does fair use extend? As an author I am genuinely interested in what is considered fair to use.
I have two books that are published and I own the copyrights to both. The publisher takes their cut (the lion's share of course) from the sale of the physical printed books but I own the written words inside. I am in the process of eliminating the publisher from the equation to increase my share of the cover price. This is becoming very common among authors now who have been dissatisfied with the traditional publishers for a long time. Most authors are keen to make some money from their work but also see the value in establishing relationships with readers and so, I suspect, would be more inclined to share than a publishing mogul would. I would certainly be happy to send you a copy of my book if it was useful for some reason simply because it would establish a relationship with someone who would share that experience and probably sell more books- it is good business to share and maybe that is why traditional publishers are feeling the pinch now.
David
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:54:09 -0800
From: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
David,
The use of photocopies of small amounts of copyrighted material from a book or journal for instructional purposes falls within what the law considers "fair use," and does not abuse copyright. Most classroom use of photocopies adheres to this definition. In cases where the material exceeds what is allowable by law, various methods exist to make students pay to use the material.
In case anyone is unclear on the concept, authors do not own copyright to their own materials in the majority of cases, and do not profit from these revenues. It is the publishing companies that profit.
Recent lawsuits by publishing congolomerates are challenging fair use laws, and the outcome of these is yet to be determined. But let's be clear on one thing: the long-term aim of publishing companies is to make all published material accessible only to paying customers. This ultimately restricts knowledge and information, and is not in anyone's best interest except for the publishing moguls themselves. That's why the American Folklore Society, among othe rlearned societies, has taken steps, through Open Folklore, to make as much pubished material free and accessible to everyone as possible, and to ensure that contributors to its flagship journal, Journal of American Folklore, will retain copyright to the works they publish in it, so they can also be made open access.
Best,
Sabina Magliocco
Professor
Department of Anthropology
California State University - Northridge
[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
________________________________________
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Mattichak [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:03 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
Hi Pitch;
It occurs to me that for all of the years that teachers have been photocopying parts of books to share with a class that they have in fact been abusing someone's copyright. It is a difficult issue to decide who actually owns a book, even a hard copy. You may own the material that it is made from but someone else still owns the words that are written inside. So I think that the issue of compliance with copyright by the academic world is a bigger issue than just e-book use.
________________________________
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 06:17:52 -0800
From: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Aloha,
On 11/5/2011 10:41 AM, janet ifimust wrote:
Is that the case, if the ebook has been stored elsewhere? Amazon can delete something from my kindle - but if I have managed to store it elsewhere, surely they would not be able to access it there? On a pen drive, for example?
There are a range of possibilities here, depending on both
technical matters and an ereader user's willingness to go
beyond the letter of registration and warranty and digital
rights agreements.
Ereader--wireless--devices check in with their hosting servers
whenever they are able. Periodic check ins may even be required
for the ereader device to function easily in the hosting network
(that is, too long without a check in may lead to having to
reset the device and/or re-register back into the network).
So if the user wants to get ebooks from the edistributor,
the ereader has to stay more or less updated in the hosting
network. And the ereader device is reminded again and again
to search for files that are not supposed to be accessible by
the device. And get rid of them.
Edistributors cannot get at files user's store on separate chips
or drives. But users probably need to access those files with
ereaders intentionally set to an off-line status, if the files are
out of compliance with the edistributor's conditions in any manner.
And swap memory chips holding out of compliance files for
chips holding in compliance ones. Or take some other steps
to keep out of compliance files away from technical scrutiny.
Or users have to use other devices, like computers.
Reading and using the ebooks gets cumbersome. Users need
to swap chips in their ereader devices. Or switch among different
devices to access different (in compliance or out) files.
Ereader users who pay less attention to the strict requirements
of warranties, user registrations, and digital rights agreements
can, of course, find ways to use their devices in ways the
edistributors and authors and digital rights holders do not like.
Right now, I think that it's an open question how the academic
world looks at any out of compliance use or access of e-materials.
But I believe that, in cases involving physical printed materials, the
academic world upholds in compliance use and access.
Musing Users Have One Set of Needs & Expectations,
Workplaces, Authors, Publishers, & Distributors Have Others! Rose,
Pitch
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:54:28 -0500
From: Daniel Harms <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
One quick note on a comment by David:
"I am aware that HDDs can just die and so I have several copies of everything as back up. I find that HDDs have a slightly longer life expectancy than 5 years. This laptop is older than that and it runs pretty much constantly for 18 hours a day."
This is appropriate for a backup plan for files mainly of use to one person. If instead we consider hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of hard drives, all of which contain material that is irreplaceable and must be maintained, backed up and accessed for as long as absolutely possible regardless of changes in hardware or software, that's a whole different ball game.
Sincerely,
Dan Harms
Bibliographer and Instructional Services Librarian
SUNY Cortland Memorial Library
P. O. Box 2000
Cortland, NY 13045
(607) 753-4042
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:30:43 +0000
From: Dr Dave Evans <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
yes indeed, in my last job i had some involvement in setting up a
university repository of published academic documents (on open access) and
major areas of debate were (a) which format (PDF type a was the consensus)
and (b) what hardware (the answer was lots of remote RAID drives, so that
if one set went down, or a building burned to the ground, no data was lost
that's a short summary of a *lot* of meetings and emails
Dave E
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Daniel Harms <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
One quick note on a comment by David:
"I am aware that HDDs can just die and so I have several copies of
everything as back up. I find that HDDs have a slightly longer life
expectancy than 5 years. This laptop is older than that and it runs pretty
much constantly for 18 hours a day."
This is appropriate for a backup plan for files mainly of use to one
person. If instead we consider hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands
of hard drives, all of which contain material that is irreplaceable and
must be maintained, backed up and accessed for as long as absolutely
possible regardless of changes in hardware or software, that's a whole
different ball game.
Sincerely,
Dan Harms
Bibliographer and Instructional Services Librarian
SUNY Cortland Memorial Library
P. O. Box 2000
Cortland, NY 13045
(607) 753-4042
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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:17:42 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Digest - 5 Nov 2011 to 6 Nov 2011 (#2011-277)
I would have to agree with Morgan on these issues. We are currently in a state of transition that is taking the publishing business out of the hands of the huge publishers and putting it into the hands of authors where it belongs. Only time will tell how the dust will settle but authors are definitely going to be much more generous with their books. E-books and POD publishing are at an exciting stage of development and for those of us who get in on it at the start the benefits will be fantastic.
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:13:24 +1100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Digest - 5 Nov 2011 to 6 Nov 2011 (#2011-277)
To: [log in to unmask]
Greetings Julie,
Thank you for your nice reply. While my signature conveys the message
that I am a Sociologist, actually I am a geek. :) My PhD is about
Religion in Virtual Worlds. I am not actually looking for an ebook
reader, as I already have an Android device which I use for that
purpose, although I much prefer audio books. My intent in my post was to
add some info to the discussion in order to balance the optimism
expressed by the poster of the 'iPods are awesome' post. In truth, all
ebooks are a vexxed issue at present, and will remain so until the
digital publishing mess gets sorted. I prophesy that; DRM will die, mega
publishers will disappear, while niche publishers will remain, with most
of the income of sales going to authors, who will give away ebook copies
of their books with no DRM.
Regards,
Morgan Leigh
PhD Candidate
School of Sociology and Social Work
University of Tasmania
On 7/11/2011 9:51 PM, Julie S Maclure wrote:
Dear Morgan,
As an ICT specialist, I can pass on some information to your goodself about the IPad.
It, as like all machinery needs to be kept up to date and virus free. Apple, like all other computer manufacturers provide a recovery service if anything goes wrong with the hard ware or software if you pay a recovery premium to the firm, and they even help you set up the gadget for a price. Anyone whom has access, can browse the Internet to find a package such as this. Hope you find what you are looking for.
Kindest Regards,
J.S. MacLure MA(Hons) MBPsS MEd
On 7 Nov 2011, at 08:33, Morgan Leigh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Sadly the iPad suffers from the same problem as the Kindle in that Apple
is the central repository and know and monitors what books you have and
has the ability to remove things as it sees fit.
Apple is also severely anti anything that you might choose to access
from any source other than their app store, over which they excise an
iron grip. See - http://www.nothingbuttablets.com/4714 Apple forces
eBook apps to remove links to out-of-app book stores
http://www.ebookmagazine.co.uk/removal-of-in-app-store-link-prompts-anger-complaints-and-confusion/20111840
- Removal of in-app store links prompts anger, complaints and confusion
Regards,
Morgan Leigh
PhD Candidate
School of Sociology and Social Work
University of Tasmania
On 7/11/2011 4:03 PM, Julie S Maclure wrote:
The best gadget ever to be invented so far is the iPad. It is quite expensive but with a wireless connection, can access the internet, has iTunes and has Apps and Ebooks etc. It does not support Microsoft Office but the screen is slightly larger than on a Kindle, has e-mail access.
Regards,
Julie S. MacLure MA(Hons)MEd MBPsS
On 7 Nov 2011, at 00:00, ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC automatic digest system <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
There are 11 messages totaling 1881 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Academic ebooks (10)
2. attending the AAR? There's an app for that!
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:53:55 +1100
From: Caroline Tully <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Yes, apparently Orwell's 1984, I think, was one of those books which the
publishers said "Nup, you're not having it" and it subsequently disappeared
from people's Kindle reader thingummys.
~Caroline.
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Samuel Wagar
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 4:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
This brings me to the matter of archiving.
One thing that this thread has made very clear to me is that
convenience of access does not mean security and stability
of archives. Not within the electronic domain. Not in the world.
A single instance confirmed me in my suspicious of ebooks. When Amazon was
starting up its ebook system, they sold several thousand copies of a book
which they did not have copyright clearance to sell. This was pointed out to
them by the irate publisher. Overnight, the book vanished from the ebook
readers of all those that had purchased it (and their accounts were credited
with the $1.50 they had spent). It would be very easy to do the same thing
with a list of "prohibited" books.
All control over the content of your electronic book reader at all times
rests in the hands of the distributor, not yourself.
I prefer my cumbersome, difficult to move, physical library (including my
copies of several books that are no doubt on some prescribed list or
another).
In the Name of Thoth,
Sam Wagar
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:17:31 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
I am not suggesting that all books be abandoned- heaven forbid! I like books too much to want to see them disappear. I just think that anybody who writes, or reads, should look at the opportunities that e-books offer.
As far as I know, mostly from reading the US copyright white paper, is that e-books have the same copyright coverage and laws as printed books. I think that kindle don't sell you the book so much as lease you a readable version for one device. Look on Scribd.com for PDFs, you can share them easily and store them on USB keys etc.
Caroline, if you want 1984 as an e-book you can download it at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/37945648/1984-orwell
I just want to say that this has been a great thread.
DGM
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:53:55 +1100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]
Yes, apparently Orwell’s 1984, I think, was one of those books
which the publishers said “Nup, you’re not having it” and it subsequently
disappeared from people’s Kindle reader thingummys.
~Caroline.
From: Society for The Academic Study of
Magic [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Samuel
Wagar
Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 4:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
This brings me to the matter of
archiving.
One thing that this thread has made very clear to me is that
convenience of access does not mean security and stability
of archives. Not within the electronic domain. Not in the world.
A single instance confirmed me in my suspicious of ebooks. When
Amazon was starting up its ebook system, they sold several thousand copies of a
book which they did not have copyright clearance to sell. This was pointed out
to them by the irate publisher. Overnight, the book vanished from the ebook
readers of all those that had purchased it (and their accounts were credited
with the $1.50 they had spent). It would be very easy to do the same thing with
a list of "prohibited" books.
All control over the content of your electronic book reader at all
times rests in the hands of the distributor, not yourself.
I prefer my cumbersome, difficult to move, physical library
(including my copies of several books that are no doubt on some prescribed list
or another).
In the Name of Thoth,
Sam Wagar
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:34:21 +0100
From: Margaret Gouin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
On 6 November 2011 06:17, David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi all;
Amazon is the worst place to get e-books of any sort because of the deal
that they have going with kindle. I am not a big fan of the kindle, I see
it as a kind of toy really. The sony reader is good but limited. Smart
devices are good by the PC or laptop is the best. I suppose that tablets
would be good too but I haven't really looked at them much.
The Amazon Kindle kerfuffle is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html
Lawsuits resulted, as I understand; not only did Amazon arbitrarily delete
the books, but its action also deleted all the notes people had made on
those books. Some of those people were students and academics, and they
were upset. A note about Kindle: not only does Amazon know exactly what you
have on your device, and not only can Amazon arbitrarily alter that, it
also knows where you are. Avoid them. They aren't just toys, they're
invasive toys.
I have a Bebook One. It handles 23 formats including Microsoft .doc and
.ppt, .jpg (black and white) and music (mp3). Also .html, I can download
articles and web pages directly to the Bebook and read while travelling or
whatever. I wouldn't be without mine, but still find that for serious
studying, I need hard copy. For the best electronic reading, Dave is right,
a computer works better than any of the alternatives--an inexpensive
netbook is a lightweight and flexible reading platform. At least that's
what I've worked out for my own reading.
Pitch--google 'remove DRM from ebook' and see how many hits you get. Once
the DRM is off the file, it can be shared as widely as you wish. Of course
you would only do this to lend your books to friends...
Margaret
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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:24:21 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
While it is true that the big e-book distributors are mere gate keepers more authors are selling their e-books on their own sites, and often give them away for free. As the industry develops amazon and B&N will have less of the business and more control will be in the hands of the writers. With the latest developments in web page design, access to shopping cart plug ins for blogs, and other things that were once in the domain of the big book sellers coming under the control of authors more e-books will become available for less cost and without the current restrictions. It is early days in what I see as becoming a very large part of the publishing industry in the not too distant future.
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:32:15 -0800
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]
Aloha,
On 11/6/2011 10:54 PM, Magliocco, Sabina wrote:
The use of photocopies of small amounts of copyrighted material
from a book or journal for >instructional purposes falls within
what the law considers "fair use," and does not abuse copyright.
Most classroom use of photocopies adheres to this definition. In
cases where the material exceeds >what is allowable by law,
various methods exist to make students pay to use the material.
I vaguely recall some instances in Berkeley (early 90s???) in which
aggregators of material for classroom anthologies (copy shops
cooperating
with departments and profs) were halted from doing this on a grand
scale
because it violated copyrights. Cost, student access, and teaching
ease of
use were minor considerations.
In case anyone is unclear on the concept, authors do not own
copyright to their own materials in >the majority of cases, and
do not profit from these revenues. It is the publishing companies
that >profit.
Recent lawsuits by publishing conglomerates are challenging fair use
laws, and the >outcome of these is yet to be determined. But
let's be clear on one thing: the long-term aim of >publishing
companies is to make all published material accessible only to
paying customers.
Here is one of those instances where our established models and
notions
probably do not match up well with the situation on the ground. I
think
that most of the parties that insist on play-for-pay are probably
not
"publishers" the way we are accustomed to think of physical book
publishers.
What's crucial for them, instead, is the role of gate-keeping, so
that access
to ebooks occurs primarily--or exclusively--through their portals
and networks
on their approved devices. Apple is a technology company. Amazon is
an online re-seller with a technology arm. Barnes & Noble is a
physical
bookseller, yes, but again, with a technology arm.
I think that with ebooks, what matters is whose hands are on the
gate latches.
Not who creates or buffs up or promotes specific content.
Gatekeepers get
paid for access to every ebook they provide, no matter who is the
publisher/author/issuing agency. I suppose that I'm suggesting that
we
pay attention to who gets at more of the revenue stream, which,
coincidentally,
happens to be the information stream.
Parties involved in the content side, like physical book publishers,
are
pretty much playing catch-up. Various factions of publishing
companies
ally now with Apple, then with Amazon, then again with some other,
in order to stay in the game.
Authors seem to be all over the field about ebooks. But, with the
possible
exception of a small number of established best selling ones, the
gatekeepers
don't appear to bother too much with their interests or concerns.
The
gatekeepers are willing and able to give authors some money. So long
as the gatekeepers control access and use.
Let me be clear. I agree with Sabina's fundamental
point--Gatekeepers
do want to control--and to get paid for--access to and use of
ebooks.
Control of all access is OK by them. They use all sorts of methods
to
gain and to keep that control. I just don't think that the
gatekeepers
are necessarily publishers.
This ultimately restricts knowledge and information, and is not
in anyone's best interest except for >the publishing moguls
themselves. That's why the American Folklore Society, among other
learned >societies, has taken steps, through Open Folklore, to
make as much published material free and >accessible to everyone
as possible, and to ensure that contributors to its flagship
journal, Journal >of American Folklore, will retain copyright to
the works they publish in it, so they can also be >made open
access.
Myself, I heartily endorse open access.
Musing Access To Some Information Is Not Access To Useful &
Reliable Information! Rose,
Pitch
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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:31:55 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic ebooks
From what I know of mainframe computer systems backing up is a major part of the business. Large commercial HDDs have a very long life expectancy, I know of some that have been in constant use for decades and all of the data is backed up in even longer term storage facilities. I know that many institutions like schools and libraries probably won't have the same resources as the corporate world for these kinds of protocols but I am sure that large e-libraries will be backed up somewhere. Computer professionals live by the mantra Back up, Back up and back up again.
Also, with so many people doing what I am with protecting their data from loss it would seem that there may be many millions of backed up copies of e-books around the world.
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:54:28 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Academic ebooks
To: [log in to unmask]
One quick note on a comment by David:
"I am aware that HDDs can just die and so I have several copies of everything as back up. I find that HDDs have a slightly longer life expectancy than 5 years. This laptop is older than that and it runs pretty much constantly for 18 hours a day."
This is appropriate for a backup plan for files mainly of use to one person. If instead we consider hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of hard drives, all of which contain material that is irreplaceable and must be maintained, backed up and accessed for as long as absolutely possible regardless of changes in hardware or software, that's a whole different ball game.
Sincerely,
Dan Harms
Bibliographer and Instructional Services Librarian
SUNY Cortland Memorial Library
P. O. Box 2000
Cortland, NY 13045
(607) 753-4042
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